I recall when novell bought suse, since everybody was considering novell as basically a proxy of msft (maybe a member of the blackrock/vanguard galaxy), it was presumed than suse gnu/linux was basically msft gnu linux.
Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?
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Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?
#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
Still Microsoft, although after a change of tactics. They don't want to kill Linux anymore, but something even more dangerous: controlling it by making their one the accepted corporate standard ("Nobody was ever fired for using MS Linux", etc). The day they push some proprietary or oddly licensed technology to be integrated into their Linux is the day a thousands alerts should be raised into the community. Then will…
>Still Microsoft Here, here. I haven't seen anything yet that isn't straight out of the MS playbook on this.
exactly what has been extended or extinguished, here? What kernel versions belong to Microsoft?
has Dell, or anyone else, been told to stop selling laptops with Linux in favor of Windows with WSL under threat that they won't be able to sell Windows laptops anymore?
exactly what world are you seeing, because it isn't the one I live on.
Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?
#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah but Debian’s package repository is all deb based. It would be difficult to translate precisely into RPM - they have different tooling and semantics.
There does exist a conversion tool between them: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(file_converter)
It's imperfect, due to the aforementioned differences in semantics.
Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?
#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
Still Microsoft, although after a change of tactics. They don't want to kill Linux anymore, but something even more dangerous: controlling it by making their one the accepted corporate standard ("Nobody was ever fired for using MS Linux", etc). The day they push some proprietary or oddly licensed technology to be integrated into their Linux is the day a thousands alerts should be raised into the community. Then will…
> The day they push some proprietary or oddly licensed technology to be integrated into their > Linux is the day a thousands alerts should be raised into the community. EFI boot?
UEFI was created by an alliance of 12 companies, 11 of whom are not Microsoft, and Intel began the work. Again, not Microsoft.
TianoCore is an open source reference implementation of UEFI maintained by Intel; there's no proprietary Microsoft stuff in there.
Microsoft seek to ease development for users who either choose Windows or who are forced to use Windows by an employer. there's no "play" here, no extending or extinguishing. They want, like any reasonable developer would, a better world for software developers.
Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?
#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
All of this is towards the goal of deprecating the NT-Kernel and work on it. Today they "emulate" Linux on Windows (WSL2), tomorrow they will "emulate" Windows on Linux (i.e. all the Win32, etc APIs on Linux - think WINE++). Rather than windows::nt or gnu::linux, the first "Linux on Desktop" will happen with windows::linux. In 2015 I bet my friends this would happen in 2025. It might not happen exactly that year, but…
> Today they "emulate" Linux on Windows (WSL2), tomorrow they will "emulate" Windows on Linux (i.e. all the Win32, etc APIs on Linux - think WINE++). No. Microsoft tried to bridge the Linux APIs to NT APIs in WSL1 just like WINE does for Windows APIs to Linux APIs. But they ended up running into issues and limitations that made them change their approach. Now, with WSL2, they just have a virtualized instance of Linux…
> No. Microsoft tried to bridge the Linux APIs to NT APIs in WSL1 just like WINE does for Windows APIs to Linux APIs.
Uhh, I think you miss read my post. I agree with you WSL1 was a dead end. It tried to put Linux on top of NT.
I believe MS will try to put Win32, etc on top of Native Linux APIs (removing NT entirely). WINE and Proton have effectively done 90% and MSFT will have a way simpler time of getting it to 100% given they dont have to worry about their own copyright.
MSFT also has the financial motivation to stop developing the NT Kernel, so it’s valuable for them to invest into this “WINE++”.
Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?
#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The future of desktop Linux is a VM under Windows. Is there really any demand for this though? What Linux gui apps exist that windows users want/need? Enough that Microsoft sees an addressable market large enough to get roi? The inverse seems to have way more practical use cases that could actually drive revenue - games and legacy business applications (as mentioned in the esr prose).
Windows now runs Android apps. Isn't Android some kind of a Linux too?
At the risk of being chastised, Android is Linux like chickens are dinosaurs. Technically true, but not very meaningful.
Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?
#147Microsoft employs primary maintainers of the Linux kernel (gregkh) and systemd (Lennart Poettering), among other Linux contributors. (correction: gregkh works for Linux Foundation, Sasha Levin works for MS). Azure Sphere OS for embedded is based on the Linux kernel, https://static.sched.com/hosted_files/ossna19/91/Crossover_E... There's also their NOS for merchant silicon whitebox networking, https://www.linuxfoundat…
>systemd (Lennart Poettering)
I see they are still going strong on the embrace, extend extinguish strategy.
Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?
#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you have a source on Microsoft employing GKH? First time I've heard of it.
Apologies, I mixed up gregkh (Linux Foundation) with Sasha Levin (Microsoft), https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2019/06/26/2 DirectX on Linux, https://lkml.org/lkml/2020/5/19/742
Sasha Levin works at Google https://www.linkedin.com/in/sasha-levin-9861662
Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?
#149Imagine writing Linux From Scratch and someone from Microsoft reads it and uses it to make a Linux distribution that goes on to power dozens of that trillion-dollar company's products. To be clear, I'm not saying that "you should be outraged," necessarily. It's just an interesting thing.
Imagine being ok with trillion dollar companies using opensource code you wrote, for free. Imagine if the people who work at those companies aren't your enemy. But instead are potential customers and potential collaborators, who see value in your work and want it to succeed. Imagine if there was a good implementation of some idea, expressed as code. And we can all share and contribute to that single good implementati…
>Imagine if the people who work at those companies aren't your enemy. But instead are potential customers and potential collaborators, who see value in your work and want it to succeed.
Yes, but we'd have to imagine it isn't microsoft doing it.
You'd think people would learn the dozenth time it happens, but no, here we are again with copilot and VS Studio Code.
Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?
#150Lindows!!! Anyone remember that catchy song "Lindows Rocks" from the 2000s?