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Those of course aren't perfect proxies! We can add more factors to account for that. But it's a start.
Parental education level would be much better.
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> I hope you realize that black people are wondering the same thing about you and how unfair it is to black people. Interesting... when race hadn't been specified, people wondering that about me was something that only happened in movies. But the moment I specifically mention white people then "well black people are wondering it too!!!!!" - It's almost like you don't care either way as long as you're running interfer…
Who said you were black or that I was white? White, brown, yellow and others live in Sudan. Do you believe everyone who visits here is white? I would guess half of the people on here have various shades of color. Your views are white and black and that's not reality. The world is not a movie. Most people in the world are not even white or black. Why are you excluding them? Why do you think it is fair to let in less q…
I am black and I didn't say I live in Sudan. Sudan is not in West Africa.
I knew you were white because you said people who think minorities are token hires is something that only happens in movies.
Minorities can be racist, but a white person would be the first to say something so naïve.
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> Your views are white and black and that's not reality. The world is not a movie. Most people in the world are not even white or black. Why are you excluding them?
Scraping the bottom of the barrel until your fingers bleed here... I didn't mention your race until you outed yourself with your ignorant remark.
You're white, I'm black, that's the only reason why white and black were mentioned. Which aspect of my original comment relies on a specific race to be true?
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> Why do you think it is fair to let in less qualified black students over more qualified asian and Indian students?
When you're out of things to say it's best to desperately shove words into your detractor's mouth.
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> With all due respect, it is not possible for you to understand this since your salary depends on not understanding it. Nice meme you got there. Too bad it's inappropriately applied. For reference, my salary or income has never been related to my advising of admissions committees/personnel. It has all been volunteer by request. I will add that I am very connected to the Asian-American community, and I would speak ou…
There need not be a cabal. The officials can easily see that there are too many Asians for this year so the just bin some of the applicants. Just the same way they did it for the Jews. The most parsimonious analysis of the data leads to this conclusion.
Of course as you say, maybe studying too much for tests does somehow decrease the "likability, courage, kindness" in a way that does not affect an actual face to face interview with an alumni (!!) . Or maybe the Asian race is inherently unlikable, in a way that does not affect an actual face to face interview with an alumni. One can come up with so many different explanations
I mean how much more ridiculous can Harvard's defense get, really?
Indian-American father here, living in the Bay Area. My wife and I came to this country with a few hundred dollars between us and have worked hard to reach where we’re at. We're far from privileged. I am 100% against affirmative action on the basis of race. I think there should be some measure of AA on the basis of economic status. It's quite personal for me this year. My 17-year old is applying to universities to st…
What makes you think he’s only going to get a great CS education at the Ivies, Cal, Caltech, Stanford, etc.? Very few of the best graduates I’ve worked with in my ~30 year career studied at those schools - it was places like UW, UBC and Waterloo that stood out to me as producing a high number of high quality, socially adapted graduates. [edit] and before anyone asks, no I’m not Canadian
The reality is that the most elite universities create kind of a petite noblesse (necessary for moving into the upper nobility) that is very appealing to the middle class. I think the context here is that each race wants to keep the prestigious aspect of these schools in place but have it benefit their own group. We would probably all benefit if we got rid of this bottleneck by creating more stellar universities so that four or five universities don't have a monopoly on cachet but no one is interested in doing that.
Eight years ago I was accepted to do a PhD in either economics or mathematics at a local state school, no where near any ranking list. However, I had just separated from the military a year prior after 11 years as enlisted member. I was the first one in my family to graduate college, let alone be accepted for a PhD program. During the orientation process I had to speak with a young woman about grants and scholarships…
You're stating yourself that class is the problem and haven't even realized. Why do you need a grant or scholarship?
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>That's a great story, how you came up, after immigrating to America from India. However, very important points that you have glossed over is the history of slavery, redlining, Jim Crow (and other laws), voting suppression, etc... of Black Americans who are the descendants of slaves. They (and other ethnic groups) were being shut out of opportunities, and the courts were attempting to alleviate this in some way. The…
> And so what? Does he somehow owe a personal debt to a country because it, for reasons of its own, decided to fix and fight against internal historical wrongs that its own people had created in the first place? Yes. He owes a personal debt because the average wealth of white families is vastly higher than that of black families because they were exploited for 300+ years. The black student who worked even harder but…
Furthermore, nothing I said is about continuing to exploit black people or advocating racism. It's specifically about redressing past wrongs against African Americans and other minorities without creating new ones against other arbitrarily assigned groups, particularly if they're immigrants who have also had to suffer for their forward movement and have no personal fault in the past racial tensions and injustices of a country they're not originally from.
Why would you completely misinterpret a fairly straightforward argument in the most emotionally charged, simplistic and negative way possible?
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I still stand with my point Degree is not worth this much.
Your opinion is contradicted by reality. https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2021/10/11/new-...
People with degrees, especially in stem are small (in compare to all ppl) group of people who are willing to put multi year, intense effort studying non trivial things
So yea, just those traits make them more likely to earn more
Go ahead and give degree to somebody without skills in good paying jobs and see whether that person will be milions ahead too
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> if you find it unfair that the pro-male affirmative action for female-dominated jobs only provides low-paid, low-status jobs - then feminists are very much in agreement with you about the unfairness of the situation :) This is an interesting point, how much of the salary is determined by presumably impartial market forces, and how much of it is just status and social signalling. We know status and social signalling…
>There is good reason to believe that if you could magically shove high-status men into nursing; nursing salaries would go up. What is this inherent quality of high status for men? Generally, status follows the possible utility one can provide for another, whether it be from being able to earn a lot of money, or having connections, having characteristics associated with positive stereotypes, or some other in demand q…
Drug dealing and Escort / prostitution provide significant income and poor status. Aristocracy had high status and sometimes little income.
They are not one and the same
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Who said you were black or that I was white? White, brown, yellow and others live in Sudan. Do you believe everyone who visits here is white? I would guess half of the people on here have various shades of color. Your views are white and black and that's not reality. The world is not a movie. Most people in the world are not even white or black. Why are you excluding them? Why do you think it is fair to let in less q…
I guess you just decided to jump off the deep end with non-sequitur. I am black and I didn't say I live in Sudan. Sudan is not in West Africa. I knew you were white because you said people who think minorities are token hires is something that only happens in movies. Minorities can be racist, but a white person would be the first to say something so naïve. - > Your views are white and black and that's not reality. Th…
Indian-American father here, living in the Bay Area. My wife and I came to this country with a few hundred dollars between us and have worked hard to reach where we’re at. We're far from privileged. I am 100% against affirmative action on the basis of race. I think there should be some measure of AA on the basis of economic status. It's quite personal for me this year. My 17-year old is applying to universities to st…
It is not fair to penalize your son. The system needs adjustment. Thank you for coming to America and for raising your family here. We are collectively richer for it.