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Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

#401

I can speak only at a Star Trek technobabble level on this, but I'd like it if I could mark other random accounts as "friends" or "trusted". Anything they upvote or downvote becomes a factor in whether I see a post or not. I'd also be upvoting/downvoting things, and being a possible friend/trusted. I'd like a little metadata with my posts, such as how controversial my network voted it. The ones that are out of calibr…

Unfortunately this is antithetical to the advertising-based revenue model these sites operate on. There's no incentive for the site to relinquish their control over what you see and return it to the user.

On an anecdotal level, the fraction of tweets in my feed that are "recommended topics" or "liked by people I follow" or simply "promoted" has risen astronomically over the past few months. I have a pretty curated list of follows (~100), I had the "show me tweets in chronological order" box checked back when that was an option, and the signal to noise ratio has still become overwhelmingly unusable.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

#402

Yishan's points are great, but there is a more general and fundamental question to discuss... Moderation is the act removing content. i.e. of assigning a score of 1 or 0 to content. If we generalize, we can assign a score from 1 to 0 to all content. Perhaps this score is personalized. Now we have a user's priority feed. How should Twitter score content using personalization? Filter bubble? Expose people to a diversit…

One size does not fit all.

Some people want to escape the filter bubble, to expose their ideas to criticism, to strengthen their thinking and arguments through conflict.

Other people want a community of like-minded people to share and improve ideas and actions collectively, without trolls burning everything down all the time.

Some people want each of those types of community depending on the topic and depending on their mood at the time.

A better platform would let each community decide, and make it easy to fork off new communities with different rules when a subgroup or individual decides the existing rules aren't working for them.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

#404

I'm amazed at the number of people in this thread who are annoyed that someone would insert mention of a carbon capture initiative into an unrelated discussion. The author is clearly tired of answering the same question, as stated in the first tweet, and is desperately trying to get people to think more critically about the climate crisis that is currently causing the sixth mass extinction event in the history of the…

To add another perspective (albeit with politics rather than climate change):

I worked in political communications for a while. Part of the reason it was so toxic to my mental health and I burnt out was that it was nearly impossible to avoid politics online even in completely unrelated spaces. So I'd work 40 hours trying to improve the situation, log in to discuss stupid media/fan shit, and have to wade through a bunch of stuff that reminded me how little difference I was making, stuff assuming I wasn't involved/listening, etc. It was INFURIATING. Yes, I had the option to not go online, but I'm a nerd living in a small city. There isn't enough people here that share my interests to go completely offline.

Staying on topic helps people who are already involved in important causes to step away and preserve their mental health, which in turn makes them more effective.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

#405

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All the communist subreddits are in constant hot water with the admins. They banned ChapoTrapHouse when it was one of the biggest subreddits. When a bunch of moderators tried to protest against reddit hosting antivax content, the admins took control over those subreddits. So no, you're just factually wrong here.

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r/politics is “communist”? That’s… just a really dumb take. If there is a far-left presence on Reddit, it is not prominent. r/politics is left-leaning and angry, but, objectively speaking, not really all that extreme.

And, for what it’s worth, it seems perfectly reasonable to label those who tried to overthrow our democratic government “traitors”.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

#406

Re: "Hereʻs the answer everyone knows: there IS no principled reason for banning spam." The author is making the mistake that "free speech" has been about saying whatever you want and whenever you want. This was never the case, including at the time of the founding of the U.S. constitution. There has always been a tolerance window which defines what you can say and what you can't say without repercussions, often and…

I think that's a mischaracterization of what was written about spam. The author wrote that most people don't consider banning spam to be free speech infringement because the act of moderating spam has nothing to do with the content and everything to do with the posting behavior in the communication medium. The author then uses that point to draw logical conclusions about other moderation activity. Leading with a stra…

Fortunately it's not a strawman. From the article:

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Moderating spam is very interesting: it is almost universally regarded as okay to ban (i.e. CENSORSHIP) but spam is in no way illegal.

Spam actually passes the test of “allow any legal speech” with flying colors. Hell, the US Postal Service delivers spam to your mailbox. When 1A discussions talk about free speech on private platforms mirroring free speech laws, the exceptions cited are typically “fire in a crowded theater” or maybe “threatening imminent bodily harm.” Spam is nothing close to either of those, yet everyone agrees: yes, itʻs okay to moderate (censor) spam.

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He's saying directly that censoring spam is not supported by any free speech principle, at least as he sees it, and in fact our free speech laws allow spam. He also refers to the idea of "allow any legal speech" as the "free-speech"-based litmus test for content moderation, and chooses spam to show how this litmus test is insufficient.

What about my framing of his argument is a strawman? it looks like a flesh-and-blood man! I am saying that his litmus test is an invalid or inaccurate framing, of what a platform that supports free speech should be about. Even if the government is supposed to allow you to say pretty close to whatever you want whenever you want, it's never been an expectation that private citizens have to provide the same support. Individuals, institutions, and organizations have always limited speech beyond what the government could enforce. Therefore, "free speech" has never meant that you could say whatever is legal and everyone else will just go along with it.

On the other hand, Elon Musk's simple remark of saying that he knows he's doing a good job if both political extremes are equally offended shows to me that he seems to understand free speech in practice better than this ex-Reddit CEO does! (https://www.quora.com/Elon-Musk-A-social-media-platform-s-po...)

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

#407

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the communist subreddits are in constant hot water with the admins. They banned ChapoTrapHouse when it was one of the biggest subreddits. When a bunch of moderators tried to protest against reddit hosting antivax content, the admins took control over those subreddits. So no, you're just factually wrong here.

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Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

#408

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Kiwifarms has an explicit "don't interact with the subjects" rule. Does that mean it never happens?

Brigading absolutely happens in SRD. We can talk about whether this style of content should exist, but it does not "exist with the explicit purpose of brigading other subs."

Right, it exists with the tacit purpose of brigading other subs. But like Kiwifarms, blurbs in the site rules mean nothing given the context of the community.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

#410

I wish we could all go back to phpBB forums. Small, dedicated, online communities were great. I can't remember massive problems like this back then.

That's because they were small and often has strict rules (written or not), aka moderation, about how to behave. You don't remember massive problems because the bad actors were kicked off. It falls apart at scale and when everyone can't/won't agree on "good behavior" or "the rules" is/are.
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