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Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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post #284

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Indeed, I've seen several subs put in new rules where certain topics aren't allowed to be discussed at all, because the administrators told them that the sub would get banned if the users went against the beliefs held by the admins (even if the admins had a minority opinion when it came to the country as a whole). Then there is just arbitrary or malicious enforcement of the rules. /r/Star_Trek was told by admins they…

/r/srd and /r/againsthatesubreddits exist with the explicit purpose of brigading other subs, and yet they are not banned.

SRD has an explicit "no brigading other subs" rule. How is their explicit purpose brigading other subs?

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Every single social media platform that has ever existed makes the same fundamental mistake. They believe that they just have to remove or block the bad actors and bad content and that will make the platform good. The reality is everyone , myself included, can be and will be a bad actor. How do you build and run a "social media" product when the very act of letting anyone respond to anyone with anything is itself the…

Not true at all - everyone has the capacity for bad behaviour in the right circumstances but most people are not, in my opinion, there intentionally to be trolls.

There are the minority who love to be trolls and get any big reaction out of people (positive or negative). Those people are the problem. But they are also often very good at evading moderation or laying in wait and toeing the line between bannable offences and just every so slightly controversial comments.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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I recently started my own Discord server and had my first experience in content moderation. The demographics is mostly teenagers. Some have mental health issues. It was the hardest thing ever. In first incident I chose to ignore a certain user being targeted by others for posting repeated messages. The person left a very angry message and left. Comes the second incident, I thought I learnt my lesson. Once a user is t…

Discord is particularly tough, depending on the type of community. I very briefly moderated a smaller community for a video game, and goodness was that awful. There was some exceptionally egregious behavior, which ultimately made me quit, but even things like small cliques. Any action, perceived or otherwise, taken against a "popular" member of that clique would immediately cause chaos as people would begin taking sides and forming even stronger cliques.

One of the exceptionally egregious things that made me quit happened in a voice call where someone was screensharing something deplorable (sexually explicit content with someone that wasn't consenting to the screensharing). I wouldn't have even known it happened except that someone in the voice call wasn't using their microphone, so I was able to piece together what happened from them typing in the voice chat text channel. I can't imagine the horror of moderating a larger community where various voice calls are happening at all times of the day.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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I can speak only at a Star Trek technobabble level on this, but I'd like it if I could mark other random accounts as "friends" or "trusted". Anything they upvote or downvote becomes a factor in whether I see a post or not. I'd also be upvoting/downvoting things, and being a possible friend/trusted. I'd like a little metadata with my posts, such as how controversial my network voted it. The ones that are out of calibr…

Very interesting idea and I think this could definitely be useful. Then again users could just create new accounts.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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post #61

Here's a radical idea: let me moderate my own shit! Twitter is a subscription-based system (by this, I mean that I have to subscribe to someone's content) so if I subscribe to someone and don't like what they say then buh-bye! Let me right click on a comment/tweet (I don't use social media so not sure of the exact terminology the kids use these days) with the options of: - Hide this comment - Hide all comments in thi…

You're not Twitter's customer. Advertisers are. And they don't want their brands to be associated with unpleasant content.

Most customers don't care the only reason it's a real issue is Twitter users run the marketing department at a lot of companies and they are incorrectly convinced people care.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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post #249

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It sounds like a insurmountable problem. What makes this even more interesting to me is that HN seems to have this working pretty well. I wonder how much of it has to do with clear guidelines of what should be valued and what shouldn't and having a community that buys in to that. For example one learns quickly that Reddit-style humor comments are frowned upon because the community enforces it with downvotes and frequ…

HN works very well, because it's about as far from free speech as you can get on the internet, short of dang personally approving every post.

What kind of free speech is not allowed? What can’t you say right now that you feel should?

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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I wonder if the problems the author describes can be solved by artifically downvoting and not showing spam and flamewar content, not banning people.

- Spam: don't show it to anyone, since nobody wants to see it. Repeatedly saying the same thing will get your posts heavily downvoted or just coalesced into a single post.

- Flamewars: again, artifically downvote them so that your average viewer doesn't even see them (if they aren't naturally downvoted). And also discourage people from participating, maybe by explicitly adding the text "this seems like a stupid thing to argue about" onto the thread and next to the reply button. The users who persist in flaming each other and then get upset, at that point you don't really want them on your platform anyways

- Insults, threats, etc: again, hide and reword them. If it detects someone is sending an insult or threat, collapse it into "" or "" so that people know the content of what's being sent but not the emotion (though honestly, you probably should ban threats altogether). You can actually do this for all kinds of vitriolic, provocative language. If someone wants to hear it, they can expand the "" bubble, the point is that most people probably don't.

It's an interesting idea for a social network. Essentially, instead of banning people and posts outright, down-regulate them and collapse what they are saying while remaining the content. So their "free speech" is preserved, but they are not bothering anyone. If they complain about "censorship", you can point out that the First Amendment doesn't require anyone to hear you, and people can hear you if they want to, but the people have specified and algorithm detects that they don't.

EDIT: Should also add that Reddit actually used to be like this, where subreddits had moderators but admins were very hands-off (actually just read about this yesterday). And it resulted in jailbait and hate subs (and though this didn't happen, could have resulted in dangerous subs like KiwiFarms). I want to make clear that I still think that content should be banned. But that content isn't what the author is discussing here: he is discussing situations where "behavior" gets people banned and then they complain that their (tame) content is being censored. Those are the people who should be down-regulated and text collapsed instead of banned.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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/r/srd and /r/againsthatesubreddits exist with the explicit purpose of brigading other subs, and yet they are not banned.

SRD has an explicit "no brigading other subs" rule. How is their explicit purpose brigading other subs?

"Hey guys no brigading okay? ;-)" followed by a page which directly links to threads for people to brigade.

They don't even bother to use the np.reddit "no participation" domain. Most other subs don't even allow you to link outside the sub, because they've been warned by admins about brigading.

Their rules barely even mention brigading: https://www.reddit.com/r/subredditdrama/wiki/rules, and you have to go to the expanded version of the rules to find even this, which just says not to vote in linked threads.

Literally the entire purpose of this sub is to brigade and harass other subs. Their politics align with those of the admins, though, so it's allowed. It is blatant bullying at the tacit encouragement of the people running the site.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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post #213

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Spam is a behavior, not a fundamental trait of the actor. Would be interesting to make a service where spammers have to do recaptcha-like spam flagging to get their account unlocked.

Which definition of spam are you operating under? I think it is a fundamental trait of the actor.

So you would expect a spammer to only ever post spam, even on their own personal account? Or a spam emailer to never send a personal email?

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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post #208

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You're not Twitter's customer. Advertisers are. And they don't want their brands to be associated with unpleasant content.

Like I can't believe that this reasoning doesn't resonate with people even outside of advertisers. Who wants to be on a social network where if one of your posts breaks containment you spend the next few weeks getting harassed by people who just hurl slurs and insults at you. This is already right now a problem on Twitter and opening the floodgates is the opposite of helping.

> few weeks getting harassed by people who just hurl slurs and insults at you

Just ignore it or block them. The only time it's an issue is when you engage. Seriously the only people with this issue can't let shit go.

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