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Post by onetimeusename »

idiotsecant wrote: post #300
onetimeusename wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Robot9000 really didn't improve quality in the places it was deployed though and people just game it. edit: that said I think Something Awful arguably has the best approach to this does it not? The site is over 20 years old at this point. That is absolutely ancient compared to all the public message forums that exist.

SA is also not the font of internet culture that it once was, either, so clearly the price of admission is not sufficient to make it successful. It seems to me it was, at most, a partial contributor.

I think it's an interesting argument about what SA is now. I hear membership is growing again. It has a dedicated group there. I think that's what's most interesting. That's really not much different than a Reddit board in theory. But Reddit boards seem to come and go constantly and suffer from all sorts of problems. I am not a redditor but SA seems like a better board than a specific sub reddit.

My point is that maybe what SA is now is the best you can hope for on the internet, and it's going strong(?).

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Post by swayvil »

vkou wrote: post #249
ajmurmann wrote: post #223

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It sounds like a insurmountable problem. What makes this even more interesting to me is that HN seems to have this working pretty well. I wonder how much of it has to do with clear guidelines of what should be valued and what shouldn't and having a community that buys in to that. For example one learns quickly that Reddit-style humor comments are frowned upon because the community enforces it with downvotes and frequ…

HN works very well, because it's about as far from free speech as you can get on the internet, short of dang personally approving every post.

It's proof of the old adage : the best possible government is a benign dictator.

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Post by stcredzero »

jameskilton wrote: post #9

Every single social media platform that has ever existed makes the same fundamental mistake. They believe that they just have to remove or block the bad actors and bad content and that will make the platform good. The reality is everyone , myself included, can be and will be a bad actor. How do you build and run a "social media" product when the very act of letting anyone respond to anyone with anything is itself the…

The original post is paradoxical in the very way it talks about social media being paradoxical.

He observes that social media moderation is about signal to noise. Then he goes on about introducing off-topic noise. Then, he comes to conclusions that seem to ignore his original conclusion about it being a S/N problem.

Chiefly, he doesn't show how a "council of elders" is necessary to solve S/N problems.

Strangely enough, Slashdot seems to have a system which worked pretty well back in the day.

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Post by Natsu »

blfr wrote: post #246

> Because it is not TOPICS that are censored. It is BEHAVIOR. > (This is why people on the left and people on the right both think they are being targeted) An enticing idea but simply not the case for any popular existing social network. And it's triply not true on yishan's reddit which both through administrative measures and moderation culture targets any and all communities that do not share the favoured new-left…

Yeah, the "there's no principled reason to ban spam" is just silly. The recipients don't want to see it whereas people cry censorship when messages they want to see are blocked.

It's literally the difference between your feed being filtered by your choices & preferences and someone else imposing theirs upon you.

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Post by MetaWhirledPeas »

mikkergp wrote: post #152
atchoo wrote: post #76

I think you have to be quite credulous to engage in this topic of "twitter moderation" as if it's in good faith. It's not about about creating a good experience for users, constructive debate or even money. It's ALL about political influence. > Iʻm heartened to know that @DavidSacks is involved. I'm not. I doubt he is there because Twitter is like Zenefits, it's because his preoccupation over the last few years has b…

Yeah, I saw David Sacks tweet: “ The entitled elite is not mad that they have to pay $8/month. They’re mad that anyone can pay $8/month.” There must be quite a few people in here who are well versed in customer relations, at least in the context of a startup, can anyone explain to me why Musk and Sacks seem to have developed the strategy of insulting their customers and potential customers? I can think of two reasons…

> can anyone explain to me why Musk and Sacks seem to have developed the strategy of insulting their customers and potential customers?

I find it fascinating that so many people are whip-crack quick to loudly criticize the $8 checkmark move.

How many of these critics even use Twitter?

And of those who do use Twitter, how can any of them know the outcome of such a move? Why not just wait and observe?

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Post by IshKebab »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #40
lm28469 wrote: post #11

Reading these threads on twitter is like listening to a friend having a bad mdma trip replaying his whole emotional life to you in a semi incoherent diarrhea like stream of thoughts Please write a book, or at the very least an article... posting on twitter is like writing something on a piece of paper, showing it to your best friend and worst enemy before throwing it in the trash

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Please don't complain about tangential annoyances—e.g. article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage. They're too common to be interesting.

It's not really a tangential annoyance. I literally couldn't read the post because of the insane format.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Post by Apocryphon »

idiotsecant wrote: post #300
onetimeusename wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Robot9000 really didn't improve quality in the places it was deployed though and people just game it. edit: that said I think Something Awful arguably has the best approach to this does it not? The site is over 20 years old at this point. That is absolutely ancient compared to all the public message forums that exist.

SA is also not the font of internet culture that it once was, either, so clearly the price of admission is not sufficient to make it successful. It seems to me it was, at most, a partial contributor.

Also, SA has "underperformed" as an internet platform- Lowtax notoriously failed to capitalize on the community and grow it into something bigger (and more lucrative). So it remains a large old-school vBulletin-style internet forum instead of a potential Reddit or even greater, albeit with its culture and soul intact.

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Post by fragmede »

cwkoss wrote: post #213
phillipcarter wrote: post #36

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> The reality is everyone, myself included, can be and will be a bad actor. But you likely aren't, and most people likely aren't either. That's the entire premise behind removing bad actors and spaces that allow bad actors to grow.

Spam is a behavior, not a fundamental trait of the actor. Would be interesting to make a service where spammers have to do recaptcha-like spam flagging to get their account unlocked.

Which definition of spam are you operating under? I think it is a fundamental trait of the actor.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Post by ketzo »

synu wrote: post #291
dgant wrote: post #233

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This is something Riot Games has spoken on, the observation that ordinary participants can have a bad day here or there, and that forgiving corrections can preserve their participation while reducing future incidents.

Did Riot eventually sort out the toxic community? If so that would be amazing, and definitely relevant. I stopped playing when it was still there, and it was a big part of the reason I stopped.

Anecdotally: outright flame / chat hate is a bit better than it used to be, but not much.
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