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FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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A profile is being generated about you, slowly but surely. It starts out as a vague picture, but the more you communicate, the the more clearly you define yourself. It includes your political affiliations, interests you display online, who your friends are, your every movement, your sexual preferences, close secrets, and anything else that can be gathered about you. These profiles are stored in a government database…

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Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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This unfolding Carrier IQ scandal is a really huge deal in my opinion. It just shows how our phones are used by both companies and law enforcement to track us, and that probably for a decade with software like this.

Anybody knows if there is a website that tracks this incident, affected phones, related news, ...?

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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The most troubling part of this whole story is that Carrier IQ itself may be breaking Federal laws by logging keystrokes without getting consent from the user...and then the FBI uses that data in investigations. Wonderful.

It acts as a keylogger on some android phones, when Carrier IQ is put into a "debug state". The researcher apparently triggered that by accident without knowing. It's not the default log level. Carrier IQ is likely benign and this whole issue seems to be bad tech journalism and sensationalism.

Don't know why I'm being downvoted. Did you all want to discuss facts regarding Smartphones today and how that might impact law enforcement or did you all want to have a "police state! rabble, rabble!" circlejerk?

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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I'm not sure if you meant for this particular interpretation or not, but the way you invoke "walled garden" makes it sound a lot like you are targeting iOS specifically. This couldn't be further from the truth. Based on my own reading. Carrier IQ is installed on many Android-based phones, including those from AT&T, Sprint and T-Mobile networks. Apple, HTC and Samsung have all confirmed that Carrier IQ is on their pho…

Carrier IQ is in iOS 5. It is, however, disabled by default. It is also buried in the second or third level down in Preferences, so its very unlikely a user will enable it by accident -- and will probably only do so upon the instruction of an Apple Store Support Rep.

There's no way to send a remote message to enable it?

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

#45
post #9

A profile is being generated about you, slowly but surely. It starts out as a vague picture, but the more you communicate, the the more clearly you define yourself. It includes your political affiliations, interests you display online, who your friends are, your every movement, your sexual preferences, close secrets, and anything else that can be gathered about you. These profiles are stored in a government database…

And all I can think of is. Holy Shit. Stallman was right. Prescience is a dangerous gift for ones mental health. I like to think of RMS as driven mad by his vision not seeing vision because of being mad.

This has absolutely nothing to do with rms and his visions. Which are wrong.

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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But do you know what the worst part is? He is right and he was right on basically every count of batshit crazy IP/privacy "conspiracy" he ever conceived. And as crazy and repugnant as we find him. He probably is right about what is coming but we don't see it yet.

I think the actual "worst part" is that the guy who was right is a guy which most people find repulsive.

That's how it usually is, unfortunately. People don't like being told where dangerous things will lead them.

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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I remember a time when they had to get a warrant before logging your information. Now with Carrier ID and Google and Facebook, the information is already collected, and they only need a warrant to access the years and years of detailed historical information. It's quite a big difference.

Carrier IQ isn't used by all carriers (Verizon opts out, I believe) and the data transmitted is anonymous. I admit there is a risk with the data profiles being assembled, and being done so with ease not seen before, but the carrier IQ findings seem to be bad tech reporting and fear mongering. It really seems to be "not a big deal". I am all for advocating privacy and a discussion about user's rights -- but I would li…

anonymous data does not exist

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Carrier IQ is in iOS 5. It is, however, disabled by default. It is also buried in the second or third level down in Preferences, so its very unlikely a user will enable it by accident -- and will probably only do so upon the instruction of an Apple Store Support Rep.

There's no way to send a remote message to enable it?

Unknown.

However, the FBI can send a remote message to ANY phone to turn on its microphone and essentially use it as a wiretap. That's been built into every phone in the USA for something like 10 years now. It's why you have to surrender a cell phone in secure locations and military bases.

That's old news. Said wiretaps have actually been used against organized crime in America in the past and is likely used with more success now.

Oh, and you do know that everything you SEND through a cellular network -- texts, pics, urls visited are logged, right?

The only way to have a private network is to own the network. And know your netsec.

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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This unfolding Carrier IQ scandal is a really huge deal in my opinion. It just shows how our phones are used by both companies and law enforcement to track us, and that probably for a decade with software like this. Anybody knows if there is a website that tracks this incident, affected phones, related news, ...?

Wait, you're just figuring out now that anything that travels through a cell phone network could be monitored?
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