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The Workplace Is Rigged to Favor Morning People

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Re: The Workplace Is Rigged to Favor Morning People

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Post by AndrewDucker »

semireg wrote: post #46
orbital223 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen a lot of research (such as [1]) showing that kids waking up early is actually detrimental to them. I feel the causality goes in pretty much the reverse direction that you're implying: the children are forced to get up early to go to school because their parents need to be free of them early and their parents need to be free of them early because they are forced to be at work early. [1]: https://www.ncbi.nlm…

Define: kid. Parent wrote “having kids” and take this from a father of a 5 and 2 year old it’s: “daddy cheezy eggz!!!” at 530am no matter what.

Take it from the father of a 4 year old and a 2 year old, my kids aren't awake until after 8am.

Because, it turns out, children are like other people and vary!

Re: The Workplace Is Rigged to Favor Morning People

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Post by jpambrun »

soco wrote: post #109
deepburner wrote: post #92

I'm so tired of these "jobs are rigged for social people!!!" or morning people or organized people kinds of posts. There's no rigging, if you want to work alone from 10 PM to 6 AM that's in your prerogative but just because most jobs require collaboration or most people prefer to sleep at night (gasp!) and work while the sun is out does not mean it's "unfair" to you; it just means that you're an outlier. Also the ton…

The crux of the topic is that there's always stigma if you're different, and having a different schedule makes you different.

Having a different schedule means you not here when it's most effective for the group. That's not a stigma, that's a fact.

Re: The Workplace Is Rigged to Favor Morning People

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Post by jpambrun »

wnevets wrote: post #36
lr4444lr wrote: post #14

Yeah, because more senior workers eventually have kids, and kids need a proper morning wake up, and child care doesn't run until 10 PM. Don't like it? There are lots of industries with nighttime work or extensive travel obligations.

> Yeah, because more senior workers eventually have kids, and kids need a proper morning wake up, and child care doesn't run until 10 PM. Which do you think came first, jobs that start in the morning or child care that start in the morning?

Doesn't matter. We are here now. If you can get society as a whole to change working and school hour, I will too. In the mean everything is organized around these hours. If you have kids or work with people who have kids, you have no choice.

Re: The Workplace Is Rigged to Favor Morning People

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Post by jpambrun »

29athrowaway wrote: post #34
Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #25

"Morning people" stuff tends to select for conscientiousness. Not a perfect correlation, but a positive one nonetheless. I say this as a serious night owl, and someone who is intellectually conscientious (I love learning and mastering) but traditionally not (it takes me a lot of effort to be organised and disciplined to a reasonable standard).

Tends to select for agreeableness. I deeply care about my work but I don't agree that it has to be done 9 to 5.

Agreeableness sounds like something to optimize for when selectig prospective employees as well.

Re: The Workplace Is Rigged to Favor Morning People

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Post by incomingpain »

I'm a morning person. 2 jobs ago I would show up to work around 7am. I avoid all traffic, get a quiet office to get work done. Bang off a couple quick early morning tickets. Everyone else? They show up sometimes between 8 and 9; almost always grouchy and complaining about everything. Make their coffee as slow as possible, saunter back to their desk, drink it as slow as possible.

But then when I leave earlier than they do... they complain. So my boss allowed them to leave early with me. So everyone basically got 1 hour free pay every day except me? Because I'm a morning person? how very motivating.

1 job ago. I was an outbound tech, I was given security code and key to the office. In case I need to get supplies from the office on a weekend or afterhours. Lots of people worked there, usually 2 people were in the office before me. One day, I show up and nobody was there. So I opened up the office, but I neglected to do the morning chores I didn't know about. Primarily starting the coffee maker. I'm a starbucks latte type, soI didn't partake in their 1970s drip coffee. Not to mention they charged $3/cup to their employees...

There was an official investigation by one of the owners to determine who opened the office and didn't put on coffee. It wasn't an investigation into why the normal people werent there.. when they figure out it was me... they say they cant trust me to be able to open and be alone in the office.

Like what... then they order 3 new people to be in the office. They all hated me like nobody's business. 1 of those people had kids and used to drop them off to school before coming to the office but couldn't anymore.

Re: The Workplace Is Rigged to Favor Morning People

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Post by wnevets »

jpambrun wrote: post #113
wnevets wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yeah, because more senior workers eventually have kids, and kids need a proper morning wake up, and child care doesn't run until 10 PM. Which do you think came first, jobs that start in the morning or child care that start in the morning?

Doesn't matter. We are here now. If you can get society as a whole to change working and school hour, I will too. In the mean everything is organized around these hours. If you have kids or work with people who have kids, you have no choice.

and that is the overall point of the article.

Re: The Workplace Is Rigged to Favor Morning People

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Post by lamontcg »

collegeburner wrote: post #24
masswerk wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, this is not how it works. (What actually happens: You're laying in bed awake and eventually raise to shuffle to work without any sleep.)

thanks for telling me what's actually happening to myself. you're wrong, it works fine. and it's worked for a bunch of friends as well. why do you think "this is not how it works"? i may have only an anecdote and some reasoning to support my point of view, but you have squat to support yours.

> thanks for telling me what's actually happening to myself.

You're the one in this thread with the blanket statements that everyone can train themselves to be a morning person along with the blanket statements about how flexible or inflexible everyone's chronotypes are.

Go look in a mirror right now and figure out how much of a hypocrite you are.

Maybe you can't see it because you need better rest.

Re: The Workplace Is Rigged to Favor Morning People

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Post by JamesBarney »

JamesBarney wrote: post #20
collegeburner wrote: post #4

i think this is a good thing and not "rigged". here's why: 1. you can train yourself to be a morning person. this is coming from someone who is not at all a morning person by nature. so it's not unfair, what it does do is weed out people who don't bother to do so. it selects for disciplined people with a strong work ethic. 2. it is easier to be a night person than a morning person. inertia says it is easier to stay u…

God everyone says this. But it's not like i didn't wake up at 7am for 12 years in highschool, and it didn't make me a morning person. Just perpetually sleep deprived.

Up through high school, despite being sleep deprived it didn't take me 12 years to finish.

Re: The Workplace Is Rigged to Favor Morning People

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Post by lamontcg »

Judging from the comments, it looks like all the people who desperately want to go back to totally normal with everyone else behaving perfectly normal like they do, are getting very noisy. And any bad economic outcomes will be blamed on all our remote work and quiet quitting and the beatings are going to continue until the morale improves around here...
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