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Re: Stripe laying off around 14% of workforce

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> The reality is there's very little evidence for an actual "broader slowdown". GDP growth in the US was decent in the last quarter despite a huge decline in home sales and headwinds from inflation, and unemployment remains at record lows. I thinks as a payment processor, they are in a better position than most to predict sales trends. This effect might be restricted to their segment of the market. But if the payment…

Stripe’s reach as a processor probably isn’t broad enough to see those kinds of trends. Their processing fees are quite high so there’s huge industry sectors that will just never touch them.

I don't know why you're getting downvoted because everything you said is 100% true. Stripe is small time when it comes to merchant services.

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The last time I got laid off, my severance was basically enough to buy a bus ticket to the unemployment office. What they're doing here is incredible. (Almost felt compelled to name names here but took a breath)

As a European the severance for a large company doesn’t sound all to different to what I am used to. Normally you have 3 months by contract plus some add a month per year tenure. Healthcare costs, career support etc is normal for larger/successful companies. Then certain countries (not the company) will pay 80percent of your salary for 2 years to find a new job. Happy that some companies also start to do this in the…

>As a European the severance for a large company doesn’t sound all to different to what I am used to.

IME 14 weeks minimum is really generous in the US.

I've been at 2 companies where it was 1 week per year of employment. At one company they added on 1 month of severance during a really large layoff. The tenure at tech companies in the US tends to be quite short, so getting 14 weeks probably unusual at typical tech company.

Re: Stripe laying off around 14% of workforce

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I feel bad for employees that have waited a decade to cash out. No reason why Stripe couldn’t have gone public in 2020-2021 at a huge valuation but from past interviews it sounds like the decision to remain private was just a founder preference thing because “focus” or something. Now the IPO market is completely frozen and its valuation is likely cut in half from peak, at least.

There's a healthy secondary market for companies like Stripe. Employees there can sell a good amount of their stock already (and have likely been able to for years).

Pretty sure the company doesn’t let most employees sell. I have never seen Stripe shares offered on Forge or EquityZen.

Re: Stripe laying off around 14% of workforce

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> The reality is there's very little evidence for an actual "broader slowdown". GDP growth in the US was decent in the last quarter despite a huge decline in home sales and headwinds from inflation, and unemployment remains at record lows. I thinks as a payment processor, they are in a better position than most to predict sales trends. This effect might be restricted to their segment of the market. But if the payment…

Stripe’s reach as a processor probably isn’t broad enough to see those kinds of trends. Their processing fees are quite high so there’s huge industry sectors that will just never touch them.

Stripe processes in the area of $350-400bln annually, which is equivalent to about 1/10th the GDP of the U.K. That's absolutely enough volume to see macro trends as it relates the classes of merchants they support.

Re: Stripe laying off around 14% of workforce

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Layoffs are not an indication of failure. Not on those who get laid off, those that remain, or senior leadership. The universe is a dynamic, changing place. People [should] move in and out of jobs and industries in response to those changes in the world. This is a good thing, and much better than blindly doing the same thing forever, in the face of changes. I don't know the specifics of Stripe's business at all, but…

> Layoffs are not an indication of failure. Not on those who get laid off, those that remain, or senior leadership.

I appreciate the sentiment, but think it is hard to believe when you are in it.

As someone who got laid off, it sure doesn't feel that way. I felt like a failure, and was angry. It took me about a year to get over it.

I've also been part of the "go forward" group (to use the parlance of our times) and that is difficult in a different way. I missed coworkers and worried about the long term stability of the company.

I've never been in a position to have to lay folks off, but have been in positions where reports departed. That's tough too.

Hard all around.

Re: Stripe laying off around 14% of workforce

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Isn’t it mandatory to pay holiday accrued? Because it’s been, well, accrued…

For what it's worth, Stripe is the only place I've ever worked that did not pay out accrued PTO. It does so only in jurisdictions where it is legally required.

My company switched from PTO to “unlimited time away” to avoid paying out accrued PTO upon departure. Their original home state didn’t require it, so they didn’t. But then they acquired some companies in states that did require it and also let us all work remotely. It was cheaper for them to drop formal PTO and replace it with hand-wavy “time away”.

Re: Stripe laying off around 14% of workforce

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post #148

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As a European the severance for a large company doesn’t sound all to different to what I am used to. Normally you have 3 months by contract plus some add a month per year tenure. Healthcare costs, career support etc is normal for larger/successful companies. Then certain countries (not the company) will pay 80percent of your salary for 2 years to find a new job. Happy that some companies also start to do this in the…

>As a European the severance for a large company doesn’t sound all to different to what I am used to. IME 14 weeks minimum is really generous in the US. I've been at 2 companies where it was 1 week per year of employment. At one company they added on 1 month of severance during a really large layoff. The tenure at tech companies in the US tends to be quite short, so getting 14 weeks probably unusual at typical tech c…

I would wager that most companies in the US give NO severance. You get unemployment benefits, I guess.

Re: Stripe laying off around 14% of workforce

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What more do you want? They are paying out millions in cash ("out of the goodness in their heart"... ie they don't have to and people shouldnt expect) which is directly reducing the value of the equity, which impacts them more than anyone else by a huge proportion. Handing out equity grants makes no little sense to me and is unlikely what these employees want... "hey you're fired, here's some stock at our latest valu…

I think the issue comes from the idea that in tough times, good leaders take their lumps before they expect it from their team. There's lots of colloquialisms that seem to fit this: "Leaders eat last" "We cut the fat starting at the top" "Leaders need to have endurance beyond their troops" I have no skin in the game either. The severance packages are commendable, but I don't think it actually answers the OP's questio…

The company is not a charity. I expect no more from a company than to pay me for every hour I work. I can leave anytime I want and they can let me go anytime that the relationship is not mutually beneficial.

I keep a go to hell fund, an updated resume, an updated career document, a strong network of former coworkers, managers, and external recruiters and make sure my skillset is in line with the market.

Re: Stripe laying off around 14% of workforce

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if you walk out on Friday and start a new job on Monday does the severance still apply? This setup is incredibly generous in my mind to the point where there's a lot of incentive to get laid off. If you got another job in a couple days and severance was still paid by Stripe then that+PTO+RSU+typical signing bonus is one hell of a payday.

> if you walk out on Friday and start a new job on Monday does the severance still apply? If you "walk out" i.e. quit, then severance doesn't apply. Severance is for people they're laying off. But, yes, if you get let go on Friday, you can work elsewhere on Monday, unless Stripe has specific non-competes in place (which aren't legal a lot of places). > This setup is incredibly generous in my mind to the point where t…

The unemployment rate is at historic lows. Hard to compare to 2008

Re: Stripe laying off around 14% of workforce

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What did they screw up, though? Their psychic abilities failed? A coin flip came up tails but they bet on heads?

"Their psychic abilities failed? A coin flip came up tails but they bet on heads?" Isn't it interesting how we want to absolve execs of all blame when they bet wrong and get unlucky, but declare them geniuses and masters of business when they bet right and get lucky?

Yes and we really should be crying for the software developers who worked for slave wages and had no opportunity to save.
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