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FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Post by pyre »

smokeyj wrote: post #9

A profile is being generated about you, slowly but surely. It starts out as a vague picture, but the more you communicate, the the more clearly you define yourself. It includes your political affiliations, interests you display online, who your friends are, your every movement, your sexual preferences, close secrets, and anything else that can be gathered about you. These profiles are stored in a government database…

... And you can't 'escape' it. Eventually a lack of data on you will be suspicious in and of itself.

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Post by redrobot5050 »

kstenerud wrote: post #13

Which is why it's nice to be in full control of the software/hardware stack you use. Walled gardens may look nice and be convenient in the present, and may even give the illusion of security, but in the end they're inevitably abused.

However, the only documented case of the abuse is on the "most open" hardware stack. Jailbreakers saw no keylogging on the iPhone. (In fact, it's disabled by default on the iPhone).

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Post by mindhunter »

smokeyj wrote: post #9

A profile is being generated about you, slowly but surely. It starts out as a vague picture, but the more you communicate, the the more clearly you define yourself. It includes your political affiliations, interests you display online, who your friends are, your every movement, your sexual preferences, close secrets, and anything else that can be gathered about you. These profiles are stored in a government database…

> Get ready for the New World.

FTFY. I'm sure this is happening all over the world.

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Post by soundslikeneon »

kstenerud wrote: post #13

Which is why it's nice to be in full control of the software/hardware stack you use. Walled gardens may look nice and be convenient in the present, and may even give the illusion of security, but in the end they're inevitably abused.

I'm not sure if you meant for this particular interpretation or not, but the way you invoke "walled garden" makes it sound a lot like you are targeting iOS specifically. This couldn't be further from the truth.

Based on my own reading. Carrier IQ is installed on many Android-based phones, including those from AT&T, Sprint and T-Mobile networks. Apple, HTC and Samsung have all confirmed that Carrier IQ is on their phones. HOWEVER, Apple has also announced that it has stopped supporting CIQ as of iOS 5, and will completely scrub the software from later releases.

So no, this has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not your phone exists in a closed ecosystem. The problem is that companies are incentivized to get away with as much of this kind of information collection as it possibly can. And just because I have to jailbreak my iPhone if I want to install unvetted software, doesn't mean Apple is thumbing their noses at legitimate customer complaints and concerns.

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Post by soundslikeneon »

smokeyj wrote: post #9

A profile is being generated about you, slowly but surely. It starts out as a vague picture, but the more you communicate, the the more clearly you define yourself. It includes your political affiliations, interests you display online, who your friends are, your every movement, your sexual preferences, close secrets, and anything else that can be gathered about you. These profiles are stored in a government database…

The most troubling part of this whole story is that Carrier IQ itself may be breaking Federal laws by logging keystrokes without getting consent from the user...and then the FBI uses that data in investigations. Wonderful.

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Post by Buttle »

smokeyj wrote: post #9

A profile is being generated about you, slowly but surely. It starts out as a vague picture, but the more you communicate, the the more clearly you define yourself. It includes your political affiliations, interests you display online, who your friends are, your every movement, your sexual preferences, close secrets, and anything else that can be gathered about you. These profiles are stored in a government database…

I hope they don't confuse me for suspected terrorist A.H. Tuttle.

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Post by sp332 »

redrobot5050 wrote: post #23
sev wrote: post #4

Excellent, remove the fault from the corporations and give even more power. Whatever happened to warrants?

Where did the article indicate that Law Enforcement didn't need a warrant to access the Carrier IQ data?

I remember a time when they had to get a warrant before logging your information. Now with Carrier ID and Google and Facebook, the information is already collected, and they only need a warrant to access the years and years of detailed historical information. It's quite a big difference.

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Post by redrobot5050 »

sp332 wrote: post #28
redrobot5050 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where did the article indicate that Law Enforcement didn't need a warrant to access the Carrier IQ data?

I remember a time when they had to get a warrant before logging your information. Now with Carrier ID and Google and Facebook, the information is already collected, and they only need a warrant to access the years and years of detailed historical information. It's quite a big difference.

Carrier IQ isn't used by all carriers (Verizon opts out, I believe) and the data transmitted is anonymous. I admit there is a risk with the data profiles being assembled, and being done so with ease not seen before, but the carrier IQ findings seem to be bad tech reporting and fear mongering. It really seems to be "not a big deal".

I am all for advocating privacy and a discussion about user's rights -- but I would like it if both sides left their hysteria at the door.

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Post by sounds »

JanezStupar wrote: post #16
smokeyj wrote: post #9

A profile is being generated about you, slowly but surely. It starts out as a vague picture, but the more you communicate, the the more clearly you define yourself. It includes your political affiliations, interests you display online, who your friends are, your every movement, your sexual preferences, close secrets, and anything else that can be gathered about you. These profiles are stored in a government database…

And all I can think of is. Holy Shit. Stallman was right. Prescience is a dangerous gift for ones mental health. I like to think of RMS as driven mad by his vision not seeing vision because of being mad.

While I do appreciate your statement in the larger literary context (great artists and prophets deemed insane), and I don't think RMS is justified in everything he does...

I reject your allusion to his insanity. Neurotic behavior is not the same as out-of-control psychotic.

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