Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation • Hacker News Board

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Post by rakoo » Thu, Nov 03, 2022, 2:12 PM UTC

Karawebnetwork wrote: post #82

lm28469 wrote: post #11

Reading these threads on twitter is like listening to a friend having a bad mdma trip replaying his whole emotional life to you in a semi incoherent diarrhea like stream of thoughts Please write a book, or at the very least an article... posting on twitter is like writing something on a piece of paper, showing it to your best friend and worst enemy before throwing it in the trash

Imagine it is a text and you can mark any paragraph. You can save that paragraph, like it, or even reply to it. So the interaction can grow like tentacles (edit: or rather like a tree). Right now, I could make a comment on either your first or second paragraph, or on your entire comment. However, there is no way to determine which category my reply falls into until you have read it entirely. On a platform like Twitte…

> Right now, I could make a comment on either your first or second paragraph, or on your entire comment. However, there is no way to determine which category my reply falls into until you have read it entirely

That is exactly what quoting does, and is older than the web itself.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Post by bee_rider » Thu, Nov 03, 2022, 2:12 PM UTC

fknorangesite wrote: post #64

lm28469 wrote: post #11

Reading these threads on twitter is like listening to a friend having a bad mdma trip replaying his whole emotional life to you in a semi incoherent diarrhea like stream of thoughts Please write a book, or at the very least an article... posting on twitter is like writing something on a piece of paper, showing it to your best friend and worst enemy before throwing it in the trash

At this point, posting this sentiment on HN is more boring and irritating than the tweet-thread format could ever be.

It is also specifically called out in the guidelines as not helpful.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Post by dna_polymerase » Thu, Nov 03, 2022, 2:14 PM UTC

ethotool wrote: post #12

Nobody has the answers. Social media is an experiment gone wrong. Just like dating apps and other pieces of software that exist that are trying to replace normal human interaction. These first generation prototypes have a basic level of complexity and I expect by 2030 technology should evolve to the point where better solutions exist.

And when, ever in human history, did something improve without intelligent people trying to solve these issues?

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Post by chipotle_coyote » Thu, Nov 03, 2022, 2:14 PM UTC

mikkergp wrote: post #71

PM_me_your_math wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be honest, and maybe this will be panned, but the real answer is for people to grow thicker skin and stop putting one's feelings on a pedestal above all.

Interesting, that wasn’t my interpretation of the twitter thread, it was more that spam and not hurtful content was the real tricky thing about moderating social media.

Spam was more of an example than the point, I think -- the argument Yishan is making is that moderation isn't for content, it's for behavior. The problem is that if bad behavior is tied to partisan and/or controversial content, which it often is, people react as if the moderation is about the content.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Post by the_only_law » Thu, Nov 03, 2022, 2:14 PM UTC

fknorangesite wrote: post #75

mikkergp wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really, even the it still does recommended tweets and I don’t want to see retweets or likes and you have to turn that off per person.

Yes, really. I never see 'recommended' or 'so-and-so liked...' in my feed.

I had to create a new account after losing mine, and without following many people it seems like easily 30-50% of my feed is recommended content.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Post by Akronymus » Thu, Nov 03, 2022, 2:15 PM UTC

KMnO4 wrote: post #98

Akronymus wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you adding () after "like"? Havent seen that convention before, so I am unaware of the meaning.

There may have been an emoji or Unicode character between the parens that was stripped by HN.

That does make quite a lot of sense.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Post by rakoo » Thu, Nov 03, 2022, 2:15 PM UTC

dariusj18 wrote: post #111

lm28469 wrote: post #11

Reading these threads on twitter is like listening to a friend having a bad mdma trip replaying his whole emotional life to you in a semi incoherent diarrhea like stream of thoughts Please write a book, or at the very least an article... posting on twitter is like writing something on a piece of paper, showing it to your best friend and worst enemy before throwing it in the trash

It seems apt that the most engaged comment in the thread is a meta comment which derails any conversation about the content of the post itself.

The post says that moderation is first and foremost a signal-to-noise curation. Writing long form content in a Twitter thread greatly reduces the signal-to-noise ratio.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Post by P_I_Staker » Thu, Nov 03, 2022, 2:15 PM UTC

jameskilton wrote: post #9

Every single social media platform that has ever existed makes the same fundamental mistake. They believe that they just have to remove or block the bad actors and bad content and that will make the platform good. The reality is everyone , myself included, can be and will be a bad actor. How do you build and run a "social media" product when the very act of letting anyone respond to anyone with anything is itself the…

At the very least you could be susceptible overreacting because of an emotionally charged issue. Eg. Reddit's boston marathon bomber disaster, when they started trying to round up brown people (actual perp "looked white")

Maybe that wouldn't be your crusade and maybe you would think you were standing up for an oppressed minority. You get overly emotional, and you could be prone to making some bad decisions.

People act substantially differently on reddit vs. hackernews; honestly I have to admit to being guilty of it. Some of the cool heads here are probably simultaneously engaged in flamewars on reddit/twitter.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Post by esotericimpl » Thu, Nov 03, 2022, 2:15 PM UTC

jameskilton wrote: post #9

Every single social media platform that has ever existed makes the same fundamental mistake. They believe that they just have to remove or block the bad actors and bad content and that will make the platform good. The reality is everyone , myself included, can be and will be a bad actor. How do you build and run a "social media" product when the very act of letting anyone respond to anyone with anything is itself the…

Charge them $10 to create an account (anonymous, real, parody whatever), then if they break a rule give them a warning, 2 rule breaks, a 24 hour posting suspension, 3 strikes and permanently ban the account.

Let them reregister for $10.

Congrats, i just solved spam, bots, assholes and permanent line steppers.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Post by drewbeck » Thu, Nov 03, 2022, 2:16 PM UTC

atchoo wrote: post #76

I think you have to be quite credulous to engage in this topic of "twitter moderation" as if it's in good faith. It's not about about creating a good experience for users, constructive debate or even money. It's ALL about political influence. > Iʻm heartened to know that @DavidSacks is involved. I'm not. I doubt he is there because Twitter is like Zenefits, it's because his preoccupation over the last few years has b…

Very helpful and unfortunate context, thanks