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Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Post by losethos » Mon, Dec 12, 2011, 9:14 PM UTC

God is just and he's my friend. Be afraid!!

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s adventure might, some way or other, help to deliver me from the desolate place and condition I was in. But at the same time the reader can hardly conceive my astonishment, to behold an island in the air, inhabited by men, who were able (as it should seem) to raise or sink, or put it into progressive motion, as they pleased. But not being at that time in a disposition to philosophise upon this phenomenon, I rather chose to observe what course the island would take, because it seemed for awhile t

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Post by drunkenmasta » Mon, Dec 12, 2011, 9:20 PM UTC

Not only law enforcement, but general intelligence and especially marketers and advertisers. They will soon know you better than you know yourself http://danielmillsap.com/blog/technology-news/carrier-iq-the...

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Post by kstenerud » Mon, Dec 12, 2011, 9:21 PM UTC

Which is why it's nice to be in full control of the software/hardware stack you use. Walled gardens may look nice and be convenient in the present, and may even give the illusion of security, but in the end they're inevitably abused.

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Post by tedjdziuba » Mon, Dec 12, 2011, 9:26 PM UTC

smokeyj wrote: post #9

A profile is being generated about you, slowly but surely. It starts out as a vague picture, but the more you communicate, the the more clearly you define yourself. It includes your political affiliations, interests you display online, who your friends are, your every movement, your sexual preferences, close secrets, and anything else that can be gathered about you. These profiles are stored in a government database…

I suspect that you're significantly overestimating the competence of government.

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Post by evgen » Mon, Dec 12, 2011, 9:28 PM UTC

morisy wrote: post #7

evgen wrote: post #5

Gotta love the paranoid nutjobs jumping straight to "the FBI is using Carrier IQ to spy on us" when an equally likely explanation buried in paragraph three is that if the FBI is conducting an investigation of Carrier IQ for possible violation of federal wiretap laws then the same data would be withheld. Let's see now... Al Franken, who recently made some loud noises about Carrier IQ and sent a public letter to the co…

Not quite sure it's "paranoid" to think the FBI is, in some cases, using Carrier IQ software to gather information given recent U.S. history. Also, since the request was specifically for manuals used to gather information using Carrier IQ, and not just for any information on Carrier IQ, when they say they have responsive documents to the request I would imagine it refers to manuals or guides in their possession.

If the FBI is conducting an investigation into possible criminal activity by Carrier IQ then the manuals and guides are direct evidence showing what the company intended the software to do, making it evidence in an ongoing investigation.

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Post by JanezStupar » Mon, Dec 12, 2011, 9:30 PM UTC

smokeyj wrote: post #9

A profile is being generated about you, slowly but surely. It starts out as a vague picture, but the more you communicate, the the more clearly you define yourself. It includes your political affiliations, interests you display online, who your friends are, your every movement, your sexual preferences, close secrets, and anything else that can be gathered about you. These profiles are stored in a government database…

And all I can think of is.

Holy Shit. Stallman was right.

Prescience is a dangerous gift for ones mental health. I like to think of RMS as driven mad by his vision not seeing vision because of being mad.

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Post by felipemnoa » Mon, Dec 12, 2011, 9:31 PM UTC

smokeyj wrote: post #9

A profile is being generated about you, slowly but surely. It starts out as a vague picture, but the more you communicate, the the more clearly you define yourself. It includes your political affiliations, interests you display online, who your friends are, your every movement, your sexual preferences, close secrets, and anything else that can be gathered about you. These profiles are stored in a government database…

>>Yes, the hyperbole is strong in this one.

Considering the link below I'm not so sure:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/12/indefinite-military...

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Post by morisy » Mon, Dec 12, 2011, 9:32 PM UTC

evgen wrote: post #15

morisy wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not quite sure it's "paranoid" to think the FBI is, in some cases, using Carrier IQ software to gather information given recent U.S. history. Also, since the request was specifically for manuals used to gather information using Carrier IQ, and not just for any information on Carrier IQ, when they say they have responsive documents to the request I would imagine it refers to manuals or guides in their possession.

If the FBI is conducting an investigation into possible criminal activity by Carrier IQ then the manuals and guides are direct evidence showing what the company intended the software to do, making it evidence in an ongoing investigation.

Not discounting the possibility of that (I specifically stated it in the article), but I'd bet even odds FBI has some knowledge of accessing Carrier IQ data.

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Post by 16s » Mon, Dec 12, 2011, 9:34 PM UTC

A play on the Ben Franklin quote about giving-up freedom for security:

Those Who Sacrifice The Right To Privacy For Convenience Deserve Neither.

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Post by marshray » Mon, Dec 12, 2011, 9:39 PM UTC

morisy wrote: post #18

evgen wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the FBI is conducting an investigation into possible criminal activity by Carrier IQ then the manuals and guides are direct evidence showing what the company intended the software to do, making it evidence in an ongoing investigation.

Not discounting the possibility of that (I specifically stated it in the article), but I'd bet even odds FBI has some knowledge of accessing Carrier IQ data.

The FBI have professional phone forensics/evidence labs around the country. They work with handset manufacturers and special purpose vendors to extract and analyze every bit of data that exists in the phone.

It's inconceivable that CarrierIQ would store unencrypted data on a large number of phones and the FBI would not know how to access it. More than likely, CIQ sells them the tool to do it, or at least provides documentation.