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American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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The second order effects of affirmative action's repeal are going to be very entertaining. You can get a sneak peek by taking a look at the student body at a school like UT Austin where, by law, 75% of students must be in-state and automatically admitted according to class rank (GPA). https://admissions.utexas.edu/explore/freshman-profile You'll notice that when comparing Harvard and UT's student bodies to the US and…

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Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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Here in Texas, any student from the top 10% of their high school is guaranteed a place at the flagship University of Texas at Austin. This is widely understood to be a form of affirmative action. Naturally, high schools in underprivileged areas - rural or urban - will produce students who are nowhere nearly as prepared as students from elite or wealthy schools. We ignore that difference as a policy matter. Top 10% is…

On this particular issue of college accessibility to high-achieving underprivileged kids, Texas is the most progressive state in the US. Name a "progressive" state that comes even close.

Doesn't California have TWO public university systems doing this? University of California and California State University?

Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Real life is filled with disappointments and limitations, even with the best social structures in place. The false promise of a social revolution that provides instant wealth and salvation for all is used by populists to gain power, but any attempt to realize this promise leads to worse outcomes for the public.

On the flipside, it's unclear to me why the penniless should care what the best outcome is for "the public," as nebulous of a concept that is.

I think people generally care about the public interest because of their shared humanity. People generally identify with their society and want to see it prosper.

They should also care that their society remains well structured because it increases the probability that their own situation improves over the course of their life, and that their children/grandkids will be wealthy.

They gain nothing from believing in the false promises of demagogues, except the ephemeral contentment of false hope.

Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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Yeah, I agree that it is important to take into account disadvantages that people may have unfairly experienced due to no fault of their own. But, why do we need to use race as a proxy? Presuming something about someone based on their skin color is prejudice regardless of your intentions. If people are disadvantaged, let's measure those disadvantages directly and adjust for those factors.

The main rationale is that it is complicated. :-) Controlling for income doesn't work well, because whites at the same income level tend to have much more wealth than blacks at the same income level. Controlling for wealth, blacks still tend to poorer access to resources (clean water, prenatal care, etc...). It would be a great achievement if we could simply say that poor blacks were finally as well off as poor white…

The solution is not to create ever more complicated adjustments but to make sure that all children get great education (and nutrition) from early childhood, even if they are disadvantaged at home.

Rolling it up from the other side by giving top college spots to kids who were disadvantaged in the first place never made sense to me.

Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On this particular issue of college accessibility to high-achieving underprivileged kids, Texas is the most progressive state in the US. Name a "progressive" state that comes even close.

Can’t have high-achieving underprivileged kids if they don’t even have lunch to eat during school…

For those missing context, I believe this is a reference to California high schools which provide free lunch to students (and I guess this doesn't happen in Texas...?)

Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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The second order effects of affirmative action's repeal are going to be very entertaining. You can get a sneak peek by taking a look at the student body at a school like UT Austin where, by law, 75% of students must be in-state and automatically admitted according to class rank (GPA). https://admissions.utexas.edu/explore/freshman-profile You'll notice that when comparing Harvard and UT's student bodies to the US and…

> I think 50% of the population suddenly realizing they were beneficiaries of affirmative action this whole time—and subsequently understanding the nuances of discrimination in this country—will ultimately be a good thing.

I doubt that if they haven't figured out it's a nuanced thing by now that they will figure that out after the second order effects come into play.

Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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I've always loved how succinctly LBJ put it: "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

I was going to point out that class blindness is an intentional ploy but probably wkuld have been downvoted for being a conspiracist. You (or LBJ rather) said it much better.

Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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The second order effects of affirmative action's repeal are going to be very entertaining. You can get a sneak peek by taking a look at the student body at a school like UT Austin where, by law, 75% of students must be in-state and automatically admitted according to class rank (GPA). https://admissions.utexas.edu/explore/freshman-profile You'll notice that when comparing Harvard and UT's student bodies to the US and…

And, it'll be awesome. In the short term, the few black kids and women who end up in engineering will get respect for making it into the program.

And, hopefully a few years later, they'll no longer be looked at as diversity hires.

Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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The second order effects of affirmative action's repeal are going to be very entertaining. You can get a sneak peek by taking a look at the student body at a school like UT Austin where, by law, 75% of students must be in-state and automatically admitted according to class rank (GPA). https://admissions.utexas.edu/explore/freshman-profile You'll notice that when comparing Harvard and UT's student bodies to the US and…

> Once AA is overturned, that's it—hands off the scale

Or change it so it is not race based. Instead make it geographical.

Say you want to admit 1000 students from the US. Partition the US into 1000 districts, with 1 student admitted per district.

Gerrymander the district boundaries to make sure that you get the racial demographics you want.

Have fun watching the Supreme Court try to explain why that is not OK but it is OK to gerrymander congressional districts to ensure Black people are underrepresented.

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