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American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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Race is very easy to focus on without making any structural changes in society. A black man was president. So long as it's the right black man, it doesn't change much.

There is still structural codified racism within US borders. For instance, it's illegal for non-native US nationals/citizens to own most property in American Samoa, in effect perpetuating racism against outsiders who are also US nationals.

Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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The goal of whom? Please don't vaguely hand wave about the .1%. Who specifically with means has had this goal? Because without any kind of evidence or idea of who is doing it, it just sounds like a conspiracy theory. I ask because whenever I see instances of the ultra rich trying to control the narrative, it always comes off as obvious and ham fisted. The obvious rebuttal is "well you don't see when they succeed", bu…

Bezos for one. He specifically bought newspaper to massage the image of billionaires like him. I don't think he's beneth that tactic given that Amazon has huge employee rotation by design because they haven't anticipate running out of people.

He bought the newspaper to prove that he could help transform a decaying news business into a digital focused successful one.

Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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LMAO at these journalists pretending they're so surprised to find this. As if they had no hand in creating this environment... and as if this wasn't the whole point to begin with. The upper class owns journalism and this state of affairs was very much the goal.

The goal of whom? Please don't vaguely hand wave about the .1%. Who specifically with means has had this goal? Because without any kind of evidence or idea of who is doing it, it just sounds like a conspiracy theory. I ask because whenever I see instances of the ultra rich trying to control the narrative, it always comes off as obvious and ham fisted. The obvious rebuttal is "well you don't see when they succeed", bu…

Rupert Murdoch, for one?

Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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How do you determine the class of student being admitted?

Easy: The proportion of their or their parents' income which comes from labor as opposed to earnings on property.

So an athlete with a $250m contract would be lower class because all of his income is from labor? That’s ridiculous.

Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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It's because class in America has always been fluid, with people going from poor to rich or middle class, and from rich to poor, based on their life decisions, and seizing opportunities. Perhaps the current events have strangled these opportunities for enough people so class can now be used to divide the population against itself?

Has that actually ever been a reliable truth, or are people finally waking up to the fact that it never really was?

Of course it's the truth. Success does not just fall into anyone's lap, save a very few minority of cases that get trumpeted as-if they're normal. There are no shortcuts. Hard work and persistence are what is required to be successful in this country - full stop. And hard work doesn't mean you sweat more...

There is no system or mechanism in America that prevents a poor child from growing up into one of the nation's wealthiest or most powerful. Are there advantages some children's parents provide - of course - but that does not preclude rising up based on one's own merit. Your children should do better than you... because they build off your life's work.

People like to criticize the American Dream from their couch while watching TV... bemoaning how unfair life is and how the deck was stacked against them. They do this instead of working to better their own future... ten years later and they're still complaining, having done nothing to change their situation.

Look at the most successful people in this country. What do they all have in common?

Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bezos for one. He specifically bought newspaper to massage the image of billionaires like him. I don't think he's beneth that tactic given that Amazon has huge employee rotation by design because they haven't anticipate running out of people.

He bought the newspaper to prove that he could help transform a decaying news business into a digital focused successful one.

And only by sheer accident this newspaper started publishing articles praising billionaires like him and their endeavors (like private space race).

Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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The Economist, FT and Bloomberg are obsessed with both race and class. Not content with the meager profits of economic reporting on a budget, they have become peddlers of social ressentment for a long while.

so the capitalist press are trying to foment a socialist revolution???

They are not capitalist.

They are sociologists / journalists / non-technical economists earning 50k (barely percentile 60), and telling us daily how action X is immoral (exactly what bishops and priests used to do).

Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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And this is why the term "white privilege" sells so poorly to whites. And why CRT is attacked so vigorously. Everyone likes to think they made it on their own. The guy who inherited a multi-million dollar business thinks he has had no more real advantage than then guy who was raised in an orphanage in Uganda. While I firmly believe that this privilege exists, you just can't legislate based on it, because you'll get n…

This is an argument I have with some of my more lefty friends. There are problems that have no legislative solution. I saw this as someone who has voted blue no matter who.. Sometimes the current left wing of the Dems work at cross purposes to themselves. On the one hand we need to legislate laws for everything, and on the other hand enforcing laws is discriminatory & abusive and whats a little broken windows here &…

I think the left has fundamentally gotten crime wrong. And I say this as a strong progressive. I understand the rationale with bias in everything from the laws, to police enforcement, to the judicial system, to ability to be gainfully employed after conviction, to impact on family -- but I think it's one of those areas where getting a few constant factors wrong in our calculus made us go in the wrong direction. But that obviously is completely tangential to this article.

Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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Yeah, I agree that it is important to take into account disadvantages that people may have unfairly experienced due to no fault of their own. But, why do we need to use race as a proxy? Presuming something about someone based on their skin color is prejudice regardless of your intentions. If people are disadvantaged, let's measure those disadvantages directly and adjust for those factors.

If 50% of the nation's wealth was mine, I'd talk about race, skin color, eye color, haircut styles - I'd talk about anything to distract attention from the only fact that matters.

Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He bought the newspaper to prove that he could help transform a decaying news business into a digital focused successful one.

And only by sheer accident this newspaper started publishing articles praising billionaires like him and their endeavors (like private space race).

Private space enterprise is exciting and legitimate news, is it not?
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