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Nobody wants touch-screen glove box latches

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Re: Nobody wants touch-screen glove box latches

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

m463 wrote: post #369
macintux wrote: post #2

Someone in the comments pointed out that not only is this terrible, you can only open the glove box while stationary. I thought GM had jumped the shark when they started leaving the reverse lights on when you park, just to make sure people or cars nearby don’t know whether it’s safe to pass you in the parking lot. This is a whole new level of stupidity.

I disliked tesla's automatic brake lights, but this seems next-level ridiculous. (telsa's brake lights are triggered based on deceleration so they constantly flicker when you're just using regen a bit)

>(telsa's brake lights are triggered based on deceleration so they constantly flicker when you're just using regen a bit)

Thank the SAE (the de-facto regulators of this space since many laws are just pointers to their specs) for that. There's a spec for triggering brake lights based on how fast the car is decelerating. Depending on your regen setting you're probably right at the threshold.

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Post by bluGill »

bamboozled wrote: post #243
bluGill wrote: post #148

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They know that people rarely put anything more valuable than a few coins in glove boxes and so rarely bother opening them.

Seen a lot of cars that have been broken into, seen a lot of open glove boxes too.

rare is not never, so if the effort is low enough some will open them and search quickly.

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Post by matt-attack »

Terretta wrote: post #276
SQueeeeeL wrote: post #270

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It's a cost cutting move. One touch screen is cheaper than 30 individual buttons, and ultimately many people have died because of it. But I'm sure GM would never do anything sketchy or illegal to lower cost or increase revenue

The touch screen is one thing. To your point, arguably it's no incremental cost. But I don't buy that electro-mechanical latches and actuators and wiring cost less than a dumb latch.

Another aspect of the touchscreen button, and no one else is mentioning, is the elimination of the valet key. Auto makers for years have had to machine an entirely separate key. The only difference being that it can start the car, but cannot open the trunk and the glove box. Presumably, this electronic actuator wouldn’t need the need for a separate valet key.

Not that I’m endorsing any of this, I have a model Y, and detest how hard it is to open the glove box.

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Post by rco8786 »

SQueeeeeL wrote: post #270
rco8786 wrote: post #212

I continue to be genuinely shocked that we don't treat touch screens in cars the same way we do as phones in cars (that is to say, it is literally illegal to use them while the vehicle is moving in most places because the distraction is such a danger). Moving away from tactile in-car controls has to be among the more boneheaded things we've allowed that industry to do.

It's a cost cutting move. One touch screen is cheaper than 30 individual buttons, and ultimately many people have died because of it. But I'm sure GM would never do anything sketchy or illegal to lower cost or increase revenue

That’s why I specifically said “we allowed the industry” to do this.

It’s also cheaper to build cars without seat belts, airbags, catalytic converters, backup cameras, etc, etc, etc

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Post by anikom15 »

isoprophlex wrote: post #378
anikom15 wrote: post #352

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What happens when you press it while driving? Does it just not engage if you are driving above a certain speed?

It screeches warnings at me and fully engages the brake after a second or so. Which isn't optimal... because this is such a dumb ass dick move you need good timing over when you engage and release the rear brake. Or otherwise you'll end up outside the designated driving surface.

I call this a ‘no use case’ feature.

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Post by prepend »

lisper wrote: post #351
prepend wrote: post #348

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I misunderstood what you were looking for. AC seems easier for me as there’s a button labeled “A/C” that is lit up when AC is turned on and not lit up when it is off.

Really? What model do you have? I have a 330e and it does not have an A/C button, only a "MAX A/C" button. I can turn the A/C on with this button, but I can't turn it back off.

2018 330. That’s weird you don’t have an AC button. What I find curious is that “Max AC” is on the left side on a big round button but “AC” is on the right side on a square button with another square above it.

I don’t understand the layout sense but at least I’m lucky enough to have buttons.

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Post by simondotau »

forgetfreeman wrote: post #334
simondotau wrote: post #96

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You the fuck do this with some things because if you didn't ever do it, modern cars would either look like a jet aircraft cockpit, or they'd have very few features. Anyone who's looked inside a Subaru from circa 2019 would know how physical button mania can make cars objectively worse. (To be clear, I'm firmly on team mechanical glove boxes. )

Yeah..about all those features. How many are in service to actually operating the vehicle?

A lot of them. There are multiple grids of buttons in multiple locations for enabling and disabling various active driver assistance and active safety features.

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Post by forgetfreeman »

simondotau wrote: post #387
forgetfreeman wrote: post #334

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Yeah..about all those features. How many are in service to actually operating the vehicle?

A lot of them. There are multiple grids of buttons in multiple locations for enabling and disabling various active driver assistance and active safety features.

None of which are necessary to operate the brakes, steering, or throttle which is kind of my point here.

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Post by simondotau »

forgetfreeman wrote: post #388
simondotau wrote: post #387

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A lot of them. There are multiple grids of buttons in multiple locations for enabling and disabling various active driver assistance and active safety features.

None of which are necessary to operate the brakes, steering, or throttle which is kind of my point here.

It might be your point, but it wasn't the point of the person I was replying to.

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Post by janosdebugs »

jaclaz wrote: post #292
veidr wrote: post #272

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I'm American, so — you know. It does make logical sense to do so, but I've never known anybody who keeps a safety vest in their vehicle. Is this something like the metric system?

It is required by Law, like the warning triangle, requirements are different in different countries, some mandate also a first-aid kit and/or a fire extinguisher: https://trip.studentnews.eu/s/4086/77076-Safety-equipment-fo... Lots of people keep the hi-vis vest together with the triangle/spare wheel, etc. in the trunk, but in theory these high-vis vest should be put on as soon as you get off the vehicle, so a better…

In Austria, if you have your hi-vis vest in the trunk, an officer will at least let you know their disappointment in case of a control. Driving schools also teach you to put it in the glove compartment.
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