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The first minute of every phone call is torture now

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Re: The first minute of every phone call is torture now

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The article makes a great point early on: hearing voices over VOIP is markedly different than over analog phone lines. The robotic voice and the weird compression when your connection isn't good are common for me. Worst of all is the 0.5-1 second delay I still sometimes hear, on local calls no less! If the same call was being had over a phone line and we were in the same country, the audio fidelity would be excellent…

The key word there being analog phone lines. Cell phone lines, which account for 99.99999% of all phone communication these days, are IMO worse than VOIP for sound quality (though better at latency). It's weird that kids growing up in the post-landline era will never realize how clear and amazingly low-latency phone calls used to be. If two people were seated across a table talking on a landline, they'd hear the sign…

Low-latency for local calls, yes. High quality sound, also yes.

But for long distance, no thank you. I will not go back to the 90s just for that one reason alone. It was hellish calling across the Atlantic. Like 15 cents a minute with a 1.5 (sometimes 2) second delay between speaking. And having to remember the dialling sequences and complexity around looking up foreign phone numbers, both of which are now just built into the cell phone.

Or having to trudge around in the rain for a phone booth and having to page through a worn out phone book just to make some dinner reservations. Yuck. I'll take the bluetooth shenanigans, thank you.

Re: The first minute of every phone call is torture now

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> It’s crazy that anyone can force a full-screen interrupt on my personal device with no context. It's a _phone_. Phone calls are it's primary function. If you don't want that, wouldn't a pad be a better option than a phone? Besides, how would you handle calls from landlines and such?

>It's a _phone_. Phone calls are it's primary function. No, it's not. You sound like a dinosaur. A phone's primary functions are 1) text-messaging apps, 2) camera, 3) dating apps, 4) banking apps, and various others. Phone calls are somewhere around #20.

The way I like to look at it is: Imagine a world where the concept of a phone call never existed. Then, suddenly someone invents an app that:

1. Allows an instant, full-screen foreground takeover over whatever else you are currently doing on the device

2. Rings and vibrates your device

3. Has a button that could allow an unknown person to send and receive audio to and from your device

4. All of this is triggered remotely, from anyone in the world, without any kind of user identification or authentication, besides a spoofable number

No app store's rules in either major ecosystem would allow such an abusive app. Yet, only because the legacy concept of a "phone call" exists, not only is the app allowed, but it's preloaded on every device out there!

Re: The first minute of every phone call is torture now

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I can't remember the last time i actually held a phone to my ear... I always always have a bluetooth headset/car around. these days I wear an AfterShokz "bone conducting" headset pretty much as soon as I get up in the morning till i go to bed. I listen to podcasts/audiobooks/music and make calls on it all day... no issues.

Is the app required to use that headset? I've read that the app requires excessive permissions.

Re: The first minute of every phone call is torture now

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> Sometimes it’s the connection to the car speakers, via CarPlay or Android Auto.

One issue I've had is that I'll be on a call on my cell phone, and my wife will start the car to go somewhere. The car will then inexplicably attach to my phone via bluetooth — despite my being 30 feet away. Super confusing for all parties involved, and only resolves when my wife drives out of range.

How is it cars can't tell that the phone they're connecting to is not actually inside the car?

Re: The first minute of every phone call is torture now

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I feel like I'm in another universe from this writer. 9.9 times out of 10 my AirPods connect immediately when I pop them them before answering and if they take a second longer we are in Not to mention headphones aren't a necessity. Sure they are nice but if someone calls me and I think it's going to be quick I just answer and hold the phone up, it's not the end of the world.

> The caller shouldn't have any of these issue (if they do they are a moron Quite frankly, you don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about, and it's incredibly rude and insulting for you to call anyone having these issues a "moron". I have a pair of AirPods, and an iPhone, and an iPad, and a MacBook. And when I put on my AirPods, probably about half the time they connect to a different device from the…

It's quite hard to reply to a comment when you keep editing it (I count at least 3 edits so far).

Maybe "moron" is a bit of a stretch but this isn't difficult to do. I don't make outgoing calls before I have my headphones in (if I want to use them) and I've never had them connect and work prior to the call then randomly stop working when I make the call. Your issue with your AirPods jumping to different devices sounds annoying, I've personally never experienced it, I also disable/enable the setting that says "Don't auto-connect unless it was the last device you were connected to", the auto-switching "magic" isn't good enough to rely on in my experience. This is my frustration, people who complain about how something (often technology) doesn't work the way they want it to without doing any work on their own to fix/improve it.

> You know, other people regularly call friends/family/colleagues. Same as you'll get calls from your doctor/gym/etc. about rescheduling. Honestly, it takes some nerve for you to judgmentally declare that nobody should be like this.

Literally only my family calls me and they are the only calls I answer save for when I know I'm waiting on a call. All my coworkers use Slack/Zoom, all my friends use Discord/iMessage and then move to Discord Calls/Audio channels or Facetime Audio if we need to talk. In fact I don't think I even have phone numbers for half of my closest friends or most my coworkers, there is just no need. As far as doctor/gym/etc they go to voicemail and I'll read what they said later. I reject wholeheartedly the notion that anyone has the right to unilaterally interrupt me and be able to speak to me at a moments notice. If you feel differently then so be it, I do not care how you utilize phone calls, I'm only speaking to my own experiences and what I (and most my peers) expect when it comes to phone calls. I never said everyone thinks this way or that my personal experiences are universal (though again, I've heard the exact same sentiment voiced from nearly all my peers).

Re: The first minute of every phone call is torture now

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post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The key word there being analog phone lines. Cell phone lines, which account for 99.99999% of all phone communication these days, are IMO worse than VOIP for sound quality (though better at latency). It's weird that kids growing up in the post-landline era will never realize how clear and amazingly low-latency phone calls used to be. If two people were seated across a table talking on a landline, they'd hear the sign…

Audio quality on cellular is widely variable. If both ends support VoLTE/HD Voice, the audio quality is actually superior to analog.

I'd like to experience that. I've never had a cellular voice connection that was even remotely as good as the old analog PSTN.

Re: The first minute of every phone call is torture now

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Yeah, but new old people bring their habits from younger years like not using phone for making private calls.

You'll need a few years yet for that. Most old people around today used rotary phones unironically.

Even rotary cell phones [1] I'm old but that is too much for me.

I just bought my first smart phone and spent a while in developer mode quieting it down to extend battery life so some old people can do this.

[1] - https://skysedge.com/unsmartphones/RUSP/index.html

Re: The first minute of every phone call is torture now

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> Sometimes it’s the connection to the car speakers, via CarPlay or Android Auto. One issue I've had is that I'll be on a call on my cell phone, and my wife will start the car to go somewhere. The car will then inexplicably attach to my phone via bluetooth — despite my being 30 feet away. Super confusing for all parties involved, and only resolves when my wife drives out of range. How is it cars can't tell that the p…

Rather infuriating considering most bluetooth applications will get spotty and sketchy, say if I'm working in the garage and playing music over a speaker, and move into the house for a moment.

Starting the car on the other side of the house? CONNECTING.

Re: The first minute of every phone call is torture now

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post #157

The article makes a great point early on: hearing voices over VOIP is markedly different than over analog phone lines. The robotic voice and the weird compression when your connection isn't good are common for me. Worst of all is the 0.5-1 second delay I still sometimes hear, on local calls no less! If the same call was being had over a phone line and we were in the same country, the audio fidelity would be excellent…

That's funny - my experience is digital is much clearer than an old analog line.

That can certainly be true, I've lived places that had problems maintaining a moisture-free analog network and it could be irritating.

Re: The first minute of every phone call is torture now

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That's funny - my experience is digital is much clearer than an old analog line.

My observations, in order of decreasing quality: Analog Land Line local call > WiFi Calling through cellphone > Analog long distance call > 3G/4G/5G Cell > Home VOIP service > Zoom/Meet/etc. With the first two pretty close to identically high quality.

Zoom is entirely dependent on whatever hardware the participants are using. My team switched to using cardioid mics and the audio quality is stellar. It's just when you get that one guy dialing in on his mobile phone with an old pair of wired earbuds with the cord mic that's not anywhere near his mouth. Usually from India, with horns in the background...
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