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Re: Start Paying for Internet Stuff

#11
I pay for several things on the Internet. Tutanota Email, Domain Renewals, Web Hosting to name a few. I also bought a few lifetime accounts which is refreshing and I'd like to see more services offering lifetime accounts.

The beauty of a lifetime license/account is you don't have to worry about having money 'ready' in your bank for a renewal charge. Sometimes my bank balance literally drops to zero, and I sometimes get caught out after a service attempts to charge me, and I temporarily get downgraded to their free tier and can't fully use the service. This happened with Google One once, and all my files were read-only and I couldn't upload important documents to Drive.

There are caveats to a lifetime account: namely: the upfront charge which is usually quite large, but a worthwhile investment in the long run. Another caveat is: it's not really lifetime, but more: The lifetime of the company/service/product so if the service outlives you, this is a win. If the service goes bust and you're still alive, this is a net loss, but I trust that some services are in it for the long-haul, usually after researching the company. There's no guarantees though. Buyer beware.

Re: Start Paying for Internet Stuff

#12
post #7

Most subscription services are too expensive for the average user. They're great for B2B but as a user I rarely get enough value out of them to subscribe, with some exceptions.

$5.00/mo is the gold standard, but when you pay for multiple $5.00/mo services all that adds up. That's why I like services offering super cheap $12/year plans. If it means I get a bare-bones feature set as opposed to more expensive tiers, then I can live with that.

Re: Start Paying for Internet Stuff

#14
> This needs to start with companies not being afraid of charging their customers, and continue with customers not being put off to pay a couple of bucks a month for a product that brings them value.

While I get the sentiment of being more aggressive with pricing, this is a recipe for destruction. If customers are not put off, they find the offering valuable enough to them to keep buying it. Customers are put off in general when you overpower that agreement. A similar sentiment when a company will jack up their prices and you don't feel there's additional value being added, so you unsubscribe.

The argument about Google making email free doesn't quite add up. Email should be accessible to everyone, and I think we all agree on this. Especially those applying for jobs at the local library who may be on hard times.

I think the argument of great products being free is that they are "more accessible". If you want premium products, then buy them. Not every company needs to give into corporate greed when they have enough to continue growing. Too much of a premium and you have a walled garden. Choose wisely.

Re: Start Paying for Internet Stuff

#16
In my opinion the well has been poisoned.

I do pay for services for which trustworthy providers exist (mail, vps, git, small software, indie game studios).

I also put 50 dollars a month aside to donate to various open source projects I enjoy, because they are valuable to me, and the money actually goes to the devs.

I would gladly pay for many "mainstream" services as well, if I actually became a customer by doing so.

Unfortunately most large corporations will still track me, abuse my data, show me ads and spam (and distribute) my mail address and phone number even if I pay them. Hell, even TV manufacturers started doing this crap.

Many large scale IT companies don't even want to build a sustainable business. Why pay those? If one of them goes down a replacement will pop up, their value typically only comes from a large userbase, which doubles as the only reason for a lack of alternatives.

In many cases they even create negative value for me due to factors like peer pressure.

Take my money and then leave me alone. If you refuse to do that, it typically means I'm the one creating and providing value nowadays. And then it becomes highly debatable which one of us two deserves to get paid here.

Re: Start Paying for Internet Stuff

#17
I'm already paying for internet access. (begin of trollish flamebait comment that will get down-voted so hard nobody even knew it existed)

I pay for my internet access. I pay for the hardware and electricity to run my server, which runs my services, that I provide to the internet, free of charge, with no intention of it ever being anything but a cost sink, because I want to take part in this great International network of computers.

I'm literally okay with everything disappearing that does not align with my goals, I'm okay with youtube, netfix, google, twitter, facebook, and everything you can name, which exist to make a profit, going away. I'll still be able to browse other peoples websites, I'll still be able to connect to IRC servers that people run because they WANT to, heck.. I'll probably be able to go back to the days where IP addresses were publicly routable and could be static free of charge.

Re: Start Paying for Internet Stuff

#18
People are working on it --- it's called "Web3".

It's still a work in progress but it's aimed squarely at the issues raised in the article.

In my opinion, the real key and the primary focus should be on a single, secure, widely accepted internet currency with very low transaction fees. This is obviously easier said than done. I don't think Bitcoin really fits the bill. Maybe Ethereum or something like Polkadot if they can somehow get enough service providers to coalesce around it.

Right now, the defacto currency of the internet is privacy. And it's main selling point is simplicity --- out of sight and out of mind for most people. If every service provider tries to roll their own payment system, it will quickly become too complicated and a security nightmare that Joe User will just avoid.

Re: Start Paying for Internet Stuff

#19
The internet is so much larger than it used to be. Getting to a million users for a consumer app is possible, even in seemingly tiny niches. Then get 10% to pay $10 per year and that's a million dollars in annual revenue right there. That's close to sustainable if you run on a shoestring budget. Many consumer apps can be built and maintained by one or two people. It's totally doable to write high quality software with this business model.

Most consumer software is either grossly overpriced or made by a VC backed startup that is eagerly looking for an exit (leaving customers in the cold). That's a raw deal for the consumer.

Re: Start Paying for Internet Stuff

#20
post #2

I generally agree, although paying for things still doesn't prevent companies from tracking us, selling our data or advertising to us. The additional income stream is hard to resist. Another thing: if you won't pay for something, consider sending the creator a few words of praise. It might not pay the bills, but it feels damn good to be on the receiving end of kind words. My business model allows me to give everythin…

I generally agree, although paying for things still doesn't prevent companies from tracking us, selling our data or advertising to us.

If you don't give up your personal data, they won't have anything to sell.

Enabling users to subscribe without personal data is part of the idea behind Web3.

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