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>It's simply zero covid working better than the best vaccines Based on one metric. But ultimately it's self defeating. If you flush the economy down the toilet then there isn't the money for clean water, or hospitals etc. Further zero flu works better than the vaccine. Do you want to stop the world until every disease is eradicated. Lockdowns were never sustainable, in the context of a modern economy. It's a question…

> Vaccines mean it's no longer the least worst option. Millions of dead, and 100s of millions taken out of workforce for ~2 weeks during infection, possibly multiple times, possibly with long covid effects for years after, or we're coming up on winter where immunity weakest. It's far from clear vaccines isn't the worst option short term (0-3 years). >flush the economy down the toilet I mean sure? Except with confluen…

>Millions of dead, and 100s of millions taken out of workforce for ~2 weeks during infection, possibly multiple times, possibly with long covid effects for years after

1. In a country of billions, 'millions' could mean fractions of a percent. 'millions' in this context is just emotive rather than factual.

2. What do you mean taken out of the workforce? From illness? That sound wrong. From isolating? How is that worse than it Chinese status quo?

>No I think PRC wants to stop this specific disease that has demonstrably kills many people with linger side effects even in wealthy countries with access to better health care.

Which is why I specifically gave the example of flu. A disease that kills and has lingering side effects. A disease that we live with currently. Millions of people in China probably due from flu every year. Which incidentally shows how flawed your use of the figure is.

From what I can work out ~3m people would be expected to get covid in China if they were all vaccinated. ~500k would be hospitalised. And ~70k would develop long covid lasting at least 6 months. So I don't even know what figures you are working with.

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Also, Apple: Chinese workers flee Covid lockdown at iPhone factory https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63447755 . Elsewhere in India, Apple is up its game. India's Tata to add Up to 45,000 woman workers at iPhone parts plant to deal with the shortage of parts created by zero lockdown policy https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-01/india-s-t... . More and more stuff is moving to other parts of Asia. So…

one country that doesn't gets mentioned is Pakistan, it has a population of 200m+ with heavily dense cities, there were no lockdowns, people prayed in congregations in Mosques 5 times a day with no social distancing and no masks.

With average temperature of over 25c

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We talk about someone with serious self-confidence and self-esteem issues, he made Winnie the Pooh illegal after all, on his way to become de-facto dictator of China. So yes, I'd say more power over the people is exactly what Chinese leadership wants. That they ruin the economy over it, well, all totalitarian regimes learned that part the hard way sooner or later.

https://www.quora.com/Is-Winnie-the-Pooh-really-banned-in-Ch... Now find me the exact Chinese legal doc that bans Winnie the Pooh.

I love the Winnie the Pooh quip because it helps me identify those who have no business commenting about China.

Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Also, Apple: Chinese workers flee Covid lockdown at iPhone factory https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63447755 . Elsewhere in India, Apple is up its game. India's Tata to add Up to 45,000 woman workers at iPhone parts plant to deal with the shortage of parts created by zero lockdown policy https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-01/india-s-t... . More and more stuff is moving to other parts of Asia. So…

>get the vaccine without turning into political drama all over Twitter.

The vaccine that doesn't stop you from getting it.

Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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https://www.quora.com/Is-Winnie-the-Pooh-really-banned-in-Ch... Now find me the exact Chinese legal doc that bans Winnie the Pooh.

I love the Winnie the Pooh quip because it helps me identify those who have no business commenting about China.

Linking Winnie the Pooh to Xi Ping is not allowed, can we at least agree on that? How unacceptable from me to oversimplify things in short, obviously not researched, online forum comment.

Edit: A chinese resident confirmed that two links into the Quora page linked to above. Quora insists on Facebook or Google for me, so no linking.

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> just so they don’t catch a cold. The people I know who still wear masks and myself wear them so that others don't get our cold, not necessarily to protect ourselves. A form of respect towards co-workers etc.

Yes. Unfortunately it hasn’t stuck in Australia either. Back to people coughing all over everything out in public. I cannot remember a time as an adult where I have had so few sick days over a 3 year span. Guess that’s over now.

I noticed this as well, yes. I travel by train and the amount of people who sound sick is astonishing, lots of coworkers were sick in the last couple of weeks. Didn't get me yet, touch wood.

Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Also, Apple: Chinese workers flee Covid lockdown at iPhone factory https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63447755 . Elsewhere in India, Apple is up its game. India's Tata to add Up to 45,000 woman workers at iPhone parts plant to deal with the shortage of parts created by zero lockdown policy https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-01/india-s-t... . More and more stuff is moving to other parts of Asia. So…

>get the vaccine without turning into political drama all over Twitter. The vaccine that doesn't stop you from getting it.

According research (just google is and look at the actual papers and the data set in them and how it was calculated), with the exception of properly worn high grade medical PPE, neither does masking. Universal masking is little more than pointless hysterical hype. Flimsy reused surgical masks, bandanas and home made cloth masks only look f-good in mathematical projections, never in the actual real world results. No I am not posting research, look at it yourself, the ones posting any benefit come from mannequin head studies and mathematical results based on mathematical models from various lab projections.

Universal masking is actually embarrassingly ineffective.

Properly worn PPE ( like done in hospitals, takes 10 minutes to put on and will leave a mark on your face ) and Hazmats work pretty well though.

The shitty disposable surgical mask from slave labourers in india that you have kept in your pocket for 6 months does fuck all.

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AFAIK they need to lock down because their vaccine is shit. It kinda works for the younger people (around 70% efficiency compared to 90++ of the MRNA ones), but it does really bad for the most vulnerable population (80+ year olds). They either lock down or have tens of millions of deaths. Xi said that they will end lockdowns in 2024, the same year they will come out with their MRNA vaccines. I dont know why they aren…

Fosun (a company in the PRC) [1] has a license for manufacturing of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine [2], so I have been puzzled for well over a year as to why it is not deployed. The few channels I have into the PRC keeps telling me that there is also a general unwillingness to vaccinate among the population (but no clear reason as to why ). In general, I remain perplexed as to how the PRC can enforce the strictest lockd…

Indeed, it's a bit puzzling. In Hong Kong, people could freely choose between Sinovac and Comirnaty ("Pfizer" for most in the West, but "Fosun-BioNTech" to those in Hong Kong), both were widely available during the main vaccination drive. Roughly half choose Sinovac, anecdotally due to scare stories on social media at the time about the "experimental, unproven" mRNA tech vs the "traditional, tried and tested" inactivated virus tech of Sinovac.

The biggest COVID problem in Hong Kong (and also to a large extend in China) I gather is that the vaccination rate among the elderly was the lowest, which is a reversal from most other countries. That creates huge problems for hospitals, as the elderly are massively over-represented in COVID hospitalisations. It's not completely known why the elderly vaccination rate is relatively low, but I suspect misinformation and conspiracy stories (which proliferate just as much on the Chinese social media platforms as here on Facebook) is a significant contributor.

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>get the vaccine without turning into political drama all over Twitter. The vaccine that doesn't stop you from getting it.

According research (just google is and look at the actual papers and the data set in them and how it was calculated), with the exception of properly worn high grade medical PPE, neither does masking. Universal masking is little more than pointless hysterical hype. Flimsy reused surgical masks, bandanas and home made cloth masks only look f-good in mathematical projections, never in the actual real world results. No I…

> No I am not posting research, look at it yourself,

What a surprise. You might be right, but the onus is on you to provide evidence if you are challenging the status quo.

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