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Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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My TKD teacher once told us that he always looks for "cheaters" within the rules or out-of-the-box thinkers, because that's the right mindset to be succesful at competitions. When you play by the rules, you are limited to your abilities. But if you can squeeze advantages here and there, you can climb some extra spots, maybe to the top.

Hey! Fellow TKD practitioner here. I'm just curious if you found ways to "cheat the rules" so to speak. Mind sharing them? I know that with the direction the sport has taken in the last decade or so, there are probably a hell lot of hacks right now. I even heard that players would change tactics (ie., rely on certain kicks/strikes more) depending on the hogu brand in use. But I competed before the advent of e-hogus a…

I had one coach who was super into what could most charitably called "gamesmanship."

Just one example:

He noticed one ref gave verbal warnings only the first two times someone stepped out of bounds, so he had me bait the opponent into throwing a bunch of kicks as I retreated until I had two verbal warnings. My opponent was rather pissed off before I threw a single kick, upped the aggression and fell right into a counter.

He was good at all the regular tactics too; my only TKO was accomplished by starting out round 2 with exactly what he told me to do.

Re: the hogu thing, I did see someone do a push-kick on the hogu, then drag the foot down, pulling the hogu with it until there was no padding over the collar bone and punch there. He broke two people's collar bones and the ref was oblivious. The second opponent retaliated and it escalated with the match ending -3 to -2 (yes negative for both people). The guy who initiated the dirty stuff won, but had a broken instep (his opponent caught a roundhouse by raising his thigh and dropped an elbow directly onto the instep).

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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in climbing "send" is used in other forms... sending temps = cold enough for the rubber to stick well, usually below 50°F. getting sendy = eager, anxious to climb. sending shoes = aggressive pair of climbing shoes with downturned toes.

sending juice = dirty water left behind after washing your ropes

now you're just making stuff up

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Wow, that's some atrocious grammar. Stunts? Stuns in order to? Does something stunning in order to?

Person eats (food) in order to be full. Driver stuns (everyone) in order to quality. It makes sense to me.

But they don't stun in order to qualify. They stun while qualifying, or drive well, which both stuns and qualifies.

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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This is really interesting. The incentive to pull off this kind of move, running the clock down a bit, that was already present. But there's a certain social expectation that you won't game the rules so blatantly, so that's a disincentive. What the existence of video games does, is allow people to do things like this in an environment where social expectations and pressure don't really exist. It's like a psychologica…

One reason you typically don't see really hacky/exploitative stuff in competitive sports is that... these sports are decades or even 100+ years old. Tens of thousands of games have been played by extremely talented and competitive individuals. Thousands of exploits have been tried and written into the rulebooks. For example, the "Sean Avery" rule in hockey. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Avery#The_Avery_Rule That…

Since you bring up the Avery rule I'll assume you're familiar with the NHL so I'm surprised this[1] incident didn't pop unto your head.

[1]https://www.nhl.com/news/hockey-world-reacts-to-flyers-light...

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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As a bit of an aside, the past few years have seen a drastic rise in coaches "going for it" on 4th down instead of punting in a lot of situations. This is mainly attributed to the rising use of analytics by coaching staffs.

It can be directly attributed to people studying the stats - but it had been known for years that "going for it on 4th" was statistically better. But coaches were loathe to do it because if they did, and failed, they'd get yelled at for not doing it "normally", and if they succeeded nobody would notice. It took quite awhile for that logjam to break.

reminds me of the claim that the all the young mckinsey consultants fresh out of ivy league schools with no experience that are brought in are used as a way to justify layoffs and other decisions management already want to make, and then they can claim to rely on impartial outside judgement

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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As a bit of an aside, the past few years have seen a drastic rise in coaches "going for it" on 4th down instead of punting in a lot of situations. This is mainly attributed to the rising use of analytics by coaching staffs.

It can be directly attributed to people studying the stats - but it had been known for years that "going for it on 4th" was statistically better. But coaches were loathe to do it because if they did, and failed, they'd get yelled at for not doing it "normally", and if they succeeded nobody would notice. It took quite awhile for that logjam to break.

but in this case the coaches can point at the analytics egg heads now

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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This is one of those events that I'm of several minds about: 1) This is what keeps people outside the scene interested and taking note - NASCAR absolutely should publicize and play up this moment, it brings a lot of folks to the sport. It was incredibly awesome. 2) A lot of times something like this is how you form some new regulations - it's truly one of those "You know, this was excellent but we can't do it again"…

The sidewall of the track should have some way to impart boost.

how about adding extra wheels to the side of the car and just ride the sidewall the whole time

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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A good example of this is when defenders try to "blow up" a victory formation. It's perfectly legal, but generally considered bad sportsmanship.

This, and many other "bad sportsmanship" behaviors, are taboo because they are far less likely to affect the result of the game than they are to injure someone. Behaviors like this will typically result in some variation of an on-field fight, which honestly seems like a pretty fair means of enforcement.

Not to mention that big money sports relies on spectatorship so you'll see adjustments to the rules to encourage exciting and offensive play. The English Premier League has adjusted rules over the years and ONE FC also attempts to encourage offensive action for fights.

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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The article quotes Ross Chastain like so:

> Once I got against the wall I basically go to the wheel and just hope I didn't catch the turn floor access gate or something crazy

This doesn't make sense, and, if you listen to the video, it's also obviously not what he says. The quote should be

> Once I got against the wall I basically let go of the wheel [...]

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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I like the other drivers' reactions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHFhTB2h9tk

"If I had known that would work I would've done that the last 8 laps"

Cue new car body design with vertical bearings on the right door.
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