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As last module docks, China completes its space station

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Re: As last module docks, China completes its space station

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Post by holoduke »

deltasevennine wrote: post #239
holoduke wrote: post #158

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Have you seen what China has become in the past 2 decades? The technological growth and development is unlike anything ever seen in the history of mankind. Not only are you wrong. You are gravely wrong. The likelihood of China surpassing the US in the space race is actually quite high.

It's a technological shithole. Half their countries tech doesn't is not made based on proper rules and regulations. Resulting in poor performing and dangerous tech. The amount of accidents is astronomical and nobody seems to care. Most of their machines are direct copies of western equivalents. So no I am absolutely not impressed by their achievements.

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burkaman wrote: post #160
holoduke wrote: post #158

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Does completing a space station not count as success? Also, here's a video of this launch, people look pretty happy to be honest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xcgT93s08o

Where do you see them happy? I saw some people holding a Chinese flag. You really believe that's genuine? Nah I don't buy that

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

yrgulation wrote: post #189
zokier wrote: post #120

The frustrating aspect for me about CNSA is how little PR they do, at least towards west although I don't think even inside China they are giving that much extra info on the missions and their progress. Just compare the media spectacle around e.g. Perseverance rover wrt Tianwen-1. Sure NASA has more material to work with but still we are getting frequent mission updates and almost daily new pics to ogle; meanwhile th…

I’ve noticed that a lot of news about china’s progress is censored, probably so we dont see how fast they are progressing.

I follow the EV scene closely and the quality and variety of EVs available in China is incredible. Yet most people don’t even know about it.

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Post by ncann »

zokier wrote: post #120

The frustrating aspect for me about CNSA is how little PR they do, at least towards west although I don't think even inside China they are giving that much extra info on the missions and their progress. Just compare the media spectacle around e.g. Perseverance rover wrt Tianwen-1. Sure NASA has more material to work with but still we are getting frequent mission updates and almost daily new pics to ogle; meanwhile th…

I've wondered about this as well. I remembered there were tons of news last year or so when their re-entry was "uncontrolled" and could potentially fall on populated areas. The news outlets made an absolute story out of that one, but barely any news about the station itself. I wonder if this is because there isn't enough info provided from the Chinese side in the first place, or if the (Western) news outlets just don't care.

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Post by petesergeant »

Kukumber wrote: post #227

we'll wave from earth as they build their moon space station our earth shapers, builders of history, failed miserably congrats China, that's how you recognize a great civilization

Americans plan to have humans on the moon again before China does.

Artemis: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis_program vs Chang’e: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Lunar_Exploration_Pr...

Re: As last module docks, China completes its space station

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Post by carabiner »

zokier wrote: post #120

The frustrating aspect for me about CNSA is how little PR they do, at least towards west although I don't think even inside China they are giving that much extra info on the missions and their progress. Just compare the media spectacle around e.g. Perseverance rover wrt Tianwen-1. Sure NASA has more material to work with but still we are getting frequent mission updates and almost daily new pics to ogle; meanwhile th…

Western media cherry picks negative stuff about China. Or they add their favorite caveat, "Experts say there could be military applications to China's ambitions." Ya, just like every fucking tech advancement in the US?

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Post by FooBarWidget »

jonnybgood wrote: post #235
nimbius wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So for those wondering why no US collaboration, you can blame republican octogenarian Frank Wolf for introducting the Wolf amendment prohibiting any and all NASA collaboration with china that isnt expressly sanctioned by the rest of the geriatrics in congress. he even managed to fuck up the 2013 Kepler Science Conference which resulted in a mass boycott after two chinese scientists were banned. We had every opportuni…

It's a little more nuanced than being a traitor to science given China's strategy in regards to acquisition of scientific research and technology. China doesn't collaborate, it just takes until it reaches scientific and technological parity. Once parity is reached, China cuts collaboration agreements and keeps further advancements within China.

> Once parity is reached, China cuts collaboration agreements and keeps further advancements within China

I'd like to see sources backing up this claim. Huawei for example has 5G patents and research centers outside China. Hualong-1 nuclear plants are exported abroad.

Seeing that China is big on business and making money, it makes no sense to keep technology for yourself. There's so much money to be made by selling them!

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Post by thweirou23o43 »

diskzero wrote: post #34

Does anyone know to what extent China has advanced the state of the Soviet technology that they have (I assume) licensed? I have been to the Russian Star City training facility, Baikonur Cosmodrome and been in the full-size Mir training module and the Chinese station components look very similar. I am sure getting good information is difficult, but perhaps someone here has some more info.

I doubt the Russians would share their deep-tech with China. There's quite a bit of enmity b/w the two after the Sino-Soviet split; China for much of recent history was US's weapon against Russia (and India). In fact, it was the US that indirectly help built up the US (much like the rest of East Asia).

[I'm generally surprised by how ill-informed western populace is about their own govts doing.]

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Post by FooBarWidget »

ncann wrote: post #244
zokier wrote: post #120

The frustrating aspect for me about CNSA is how little PR they do, at least towards west although I don't think even inside China they are giving that much extra info on the missions and their progress. Just compare the media spectacle around e.g. Perseverance rover wrt Tianwen-1. Sure NASA has more material to work with but still we are getting frequent mission updates and almost daily new pics to ogle; meanwhile th…

I've wondered about this as well. I remembered there were tons of news last year or so when their re-entry was "uncontrolled" and could potentially fall on populated areas. The news outlets made an absolute story out of that one, but barely any news about the station itself. I wonder if this is because there isn't enough info provided from the Chinese side in the first place, or if the (Western) news outlets just don…

The latter. Try following western China reporters for a while. You'll notice that a lot of them are only interested in pushing non-stories that portray China negatively, rather than reporting facts.

For example a couple weeks ago they made a huge amiunt of noise about Xi being couped. After Xi showed up they simply dropped that narrative and moved on to the next hysteric story.

I've been following various journalists for years and journalistic quality seems to decline rather than increase.

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Post by adrian_b »

jonnybgood wrote: post #235
nimbius wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So for those wondering why no US collaboration, you can blame republican octogenarian Frank Wolf for introducting the Wolf amendment prohibiting any and all NASA collaboration with china that isnt expressly sanctioned by the rest of the geriatrics in congress. he even managed to fuck up the 2013 Kepler Science Conference which resulted in a mass boycott after two chinese scientists were banned. We had every opportuni…

It's a little more nuanced than being a traitor to science given China's strategy in regards to acquisition of scientific research and technology. China doesn't collaborate, it just takes until it reaches scientific and technological parity. Once parity is reached, China cuts collaboration agreements and keeps further advancements within China.

It would be interesting to see some concrete examples of what is claimed in "Once parity is reached, China cuts collaboration agreements and keeps further advancements within China."

Whenever I search recent research articles about any topic, I see a very large number that are published by China, and which are freely available.

The quality of the Chinese research is quite uneven, there are many papers that are just garbage, but there are also many which are surprisingly creative and original, exploring promising alternatives to those that had already been studied by Western research.

I frequently see statements from naive Americans that all that the Chinese do is based on copying, but unfortunately for USA, that was true only in the past and it is no longer true today.

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