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Re: Find your Twitter friends on Mastodon

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Post by jeroenhd »

zaik wrote: post #490
jeroenhd wrote: post #486

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Apologies; it turns out I was mistaken in believing the IEEE was working on a standard, it's actually the IETF. Abbreviations are hard :( I believe this is the relevant draft: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-mahy-mimi-identity-01.html Edit: I should add that as far as I know, the working group hasn't done much as of yet. I heard about this on Matrix because some of the Matrix folks are trying to get (parts of) the fede…

The draft doesn't mention Matrix, but it's nice to see that they consider standardization even if the use case for their protocol is probably already covered by the existing XMPP standard.

It doesn't, but that's what the person I heard mention this effort is trying to change.

Re: Find your Twitter friends on Mastodon

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Post by martin1b »

kukx wrote: post #321
wraptile wrote: post #311

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I think "More open Twitter" is a red herring. The bigger issue seems to be that people simply dislike and distrust Musk.

I would rephrase it to "political propaganda machine dislikes and distrusts Musk". It is telling that Tesla was not invited to the EV summit or that or was removed from S&P 500 ESG.

Yes, this! "political propaganda machine dislikes and distrusts Musk"

Re: Find your Twitter friends on Mastodon

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Post by hn2017 »

rat87 wrote: post #465
docmars wrote: post #424

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I feel the same about Hillary. She shared a conspiracy theory this last week that Paul Pelosi's attacker was a right-wing extremist. It was found later that the alleged "blog" David created wasn't created long ago and was taken down pretty swiftly after the attack, showing that this was created as a prop for a political stunt before midterms. The residence for the attacker, David, was found to be a hippie commune wit…

The attacker is a far right extremist. That's fact. He might have once been fairly left wing but has been on the far right for a while. https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2022/10/29/fea... https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/What-we-know-about... > He published multiple blogs laced with statements about the QAnon mass delusion, whose adherents believe former President Donald Trump stands against an a…

I'm afraid it's too late, HN has become an right-wing echo-chamber

Re: Find your Twitter friends on Mastodon

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Post by lutoma »

infinitezest wrote: post #384
psychphysic wrote: post #377

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You've only got to look at the inconvenience of setting up a matrix home server and soon think "centralised it is". Mastodon is even worse. I can't see it taking off.

As someone that recently set up a Matrix server, I'm not sure what you're talking about.

„recently“ being the key word here. For the first few weeks/months, my Matrix server worked great too, but it’s becoming increasingly brittle as time goes on.

Re: Find your Twitter friends on Mastodon

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Post by Cyberdog »

xigoi wrote: post #484
Cyberdog wrote: post #450

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Think of Fediverse as akin to the email system, where there are thousands if not millions of different servers out there hosting email and exchanging them to each other. Now consider Mastodon as an email client which is hosted on a web site, like Gmail or Yahoo! Mail or Hotmail. That web site gives you an interface with which to interact with the network of email servers, but people using other servers with other int…

E-mail, although it has different clients, is still fundamentally the same thing — you send a message with a subject, body and attachments. However, it seems that social networks built on ActivityPub are fundamentally different — Mastodon is an imitation of Twitter, with short low-effort posts, Friendica is an imitation of Facebook, then there are ways to link blogs… So what I don't understand is, how does this all w…

I don't have an answer for that since I'm not an expert with the protocol and I've really only used the microblogging/"Twitter-like" aspect of it. But at least in terms of that, the front ends are compatible with each other when it comes to sending and receiving messages.

Re: Find your Twitter friends on Mastodon

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

ekianjo wrote: post #400
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #351

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I’m old enough to remember when that was an excuse people used for Twitter. Funny, seems like months ago. Now, it’s a private company but the arguments are all different.

a publicly traded company. not exactly the same as its current status.

You’re right. It was worse to use that argument. But now all the people that did have changed their positions.

Re: Find your Twitter friends on Mastodon

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Post by celdon25 »

pron wrote: post #485
celdon25 wrote: post #480

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Those topics aren't on the minds of conservatives lately, and if you think they are, you're either out of touch or making your point in bad faith. Since those ideas don't carry weight at the moment, they aren't a liability and therefore there's no reason to censor at this time. You mentioned in another comment that the "censorship myth" is "easily disproved". You might want to re-think your logic, or stop spreading s…

I think you're wrong (e.g. The Federalist, Claremont, and Quillette are pretty much the zeitgeist of the more-extreme-than-mainstream right these days; Claremont pretty much is the pro-Trump/pro-fascist/anti-democratic section of conservative writers), but regardless, could you name a conservative opinion/idea/belief that Twitter does not widely disseminate?

> could you name a conservative opinion/idea/belief that Twitter does not widely disseminate?

I do not necessarily endorse or agree with the viewpoints of those who were banned. But some confirmed examples include: QAnon, vaccines, Hunter Biden laptop, use of gender pronouns. Anything Pro-Putin (there's growing support of Putin among conservatives, but I'm not one of them). Claiming that the 2020 election was stolen (where was Twitter in 2016?). Being a member of Proud Boys.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_suspensions#2022

Also, accounts like @JamesOKeefeIII banned arbitrarily in retaliation. https://www.thedailybeast.com/project-veritas-founder-james-...

Meanwhile: https://rdi.org/twitters-dictator-problem/ - Same thing happened in India FYI. You should learn to understand that iron and velvet are two sides of the same coin.

Re: Find your Twitter friends on Mastodon

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Post by pron »

celdon25 wrote: post #497
pron wrote: post #485

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I think you're wrong (e.g. The Federalist, Claremont, and Quillette are pretty much the zeitgeist of the more-extreme-than-mainstream right these days; Claremont pretty much is the pro-Trump/pro-fascist/anti-democratic section of conservative writers), but regardless, could you name a conservative opinion/idea/belief that Twitter does not widely disseminate?

> could you name a conservative opinion/idea/belief that Twitter does not widely disseminate? I do not necessarily endorse or agree with the viewpoints of those who were banned. But some confirmed examples include: QAnon, vaccines, Hunter Biden laptop, use of gender pronouns. Anything Pro-Putin (there's growing support of Putin among conservatives, but I'm not one of them). Claiming that the 2020 election was stolen…

That some accounts were suspended under specific circumstances does not mean that conservative content is suppressed. Potential bias in moderation policies of specific behaviours/events and the matter of suppressing ideas are two separate issues (although the moderation of the Hunter Biden story, as I mentioned earlier, was probably a mistake).

Twitter is flooded with pro-Putin, anti-vaxx, stolen election, and "only two genders" content. The claim that these ideas are suppressed is so easily debunked (with a quick search) as thoroughly false, that I doubt that those making that claim actually believe it.

I don't know if Twitter punishes conservative Twitterers more harshly under similar circumstances, but it is simply and verifiably untrue that conservative content, of any flavour and level of extremism, is not widely disseminated by Twitter. I know that suppression has been a fundamental narrative for the right for some generations now, but like its other incarnations -- "the war on Christmas" and "cancel culture" -- it is just not real.

Re: Find your Twitter friends on Mastodon

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Post by celdon25 »

pron wrote: post #498
celdon25 wrote: post #497

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> could you name a conservative opinion/idea/belief that Twitter does not widely disseminate? I do not necessarily endorse or agree with the viewpoints of those who were banned. But some confirmed examples include: QAnon, vaccines, Hunter Biden laptop, use of gender pronouns. Anything Pro-Putin (there's growing support of Putin among conservatives, but I'm not one of them). Claiming that the 2020 election was stolen…

That some accounts were suspended under specific circumstances does not mean that conservative content is suppressed. Potential bias in moderation policies of specific behaviours/events and the matter of suppressing ideas are two separate issues (although the moderation of the Hunter Biden story, as I mentioned earlier, was probably a mistake). Twitter is flooded with pro-Putin, anti-vaxx, stolen election, and "only…

> That some accounts were suspended under specific circumstances does not mean that conservative content is suppressed.

I never said anything about "Conservative content is being suppressed", which is in and of itself an incredibly vague and arbitrarily defined assertion. The commenter you replied to was the one who said it. Hopefully my points are clearer than that, but there is some overlap.

> Potential bias in moderation policies of specific behaviours/events and the matter of suppressing ideas are two separate issues

A suspended account suppresses content in at least four ways:

1) The specific tweet, and all retweets, are memory-holed.

2) The user is directly prevented from posting additional tweets, different (or equal) in content but always compatible in motive.

3) The suspension serves as a warning to discourage others from doing the same.

4) The suspension is a clear message to discourage others with similar views from investing time and resources to build a following on Twitter.

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> The claim that these ideas are suppressed is so easily debunked (with a quick search) as thoroughly false

The fact that you've admitted spending little enough time on research to be able to call it a "quick" search, and triumphantly so, doesn't help your argument. Nobody cares about suppressing last year's news, but what about when it was this year's news?

> Vaccines

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/mar/01/twitter-c...

> QAnon and Elections

https://www.npr.org/sections/insurrection-at-the-capitol/202...

And even your own examples:

> The Federalist

https://thefederalist.com/2022/03/23/twitter-is-censoring-fe...

> Quillette

https://archive.ph/CpzM2

> Clairemont

That's a think tank - Old guys in suits. Deep pockets. They're not grassroots-oriented, and don't need Twitter to reach their intended audience. They have the resources to fight back anyway, so it's not a high-value target. Not to mention they can afford to vet and craft their messages carefully to avoid getting blocked. Self-censorship.

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> I don't know if Twitter punishes conservative Twitterers more harshly under similar circumstances, but it is simply and verifiably untrue that conservative content, of any flavour and level of extremism, is not widely disseminated by Twitter.

You can suppress content and still be overwhelmed by its sheer appeal at the end of the day. It happens all the time. Sometimes the other team wins. That's why we're not living under the flavor of totalitarianism that existed in medieval times.

Re: Find your Twitter friends on Mastodon

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Post by pron »

celdon25 wrote: post #499
pron wrote: post #498

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That some accounts were suspended under specific circumstances does not mean that conservative content is suppressed. Potential bias in moderation policies of specific behaviours/events and the matter of suppressing ideas are two separate issues (although the moderation of the Hunter Biden story, as I mentioned earlier, was probably a mistake). Twitter is flooded with pro-Putin, anti-vaxx, stolen election, and "only…

> That some accounts were suspended under specific circumstances does not mean that conservative content is suppressed. I never said anything about "Conservative content is being suppressed", which is in and of itself an incredibly vague and arbitrarily defined assertion. The commenter you replied to was the one who said it. Hopefully my points are clearer than that, but there is some overlap. > Potential bias in mod…

That has nothing to do with conservatism, though. If a conservative is arrested while spraying "Stop the Steal" on your car, that doesn't mean that the police is suppressing conservatism. Twitter chooses to prevent certain behaviours and certain actions, and also doesn't wish to disseminate misinformation about a pandemic (progressives fell victim to those beliefs, too). Like every enforcement action, it's certainly possible that specific instances are misguided, and it's also possible that there is some bias, although whether there is or isn't is far from certain (it's also possible that conservatives are biased toward rule-infringing behaviour on Twitter just as they are biased toward political violence; more conservatives are also arrested for politically-motivated violence than progressives, while property vandalism might be biased the other way).

The fact remains that every conservative idea, including extreme ones, is widely disseminated on Twitter. Even fringe right wing ideas have far more reach today -- thanks, in part, to Twitter -- than ever before in history. The idea that they're being suppressed is downright ridiculous.

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