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I made outlines for KDE Breeze window decoration

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Re: I made outlines for KDE Breeze window decoration

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Post by Arnavion »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #75
Arnavion wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I still can't share my screen in Slack or Teams making calls with Windows and Mac colleagues an embarrassing mess. Works fine in at least all wlroots compositors (via xdpw) and in GNOME (via xdpgtk). The Electron versions presumably don't use PW so they'll only share Xwayland windows. The browser versions will be able to share everything through xdp since all major browsers support PW. >Firefox in Ubuntu 22.04 has W…

Thank you for proving my point. If you need to tinker with all that in an OS just to get a usable system, then, repeat after me, it's not ready .

Good thing there's no tinkering mentioned in my comment, then.

Re: I made outlines for KDE Breeze window decoration

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Post by alex3305 »

ognarb wrote: post #20
alex3305 wrote: post #13

I haven't touched KDE in maybe 15 years. I just always defaulted to Gnome when I'm on Linux desktop. But this looks more macOS like. Just curious, is there any reason I should try KDE today?

KDE dev here. From a developer perspective, something I really love with Plasma (the 'new' branding for KDE) is that it's really modular by design. Everything on the screen is pluggable with a very simple api and can theoricaly be be swapped out or experimented with. This includes the widgets but also the visual effects. For example, Marco (a prominent Plasma hacker) just worked on a new basic tilling extension and w…

Thanks for taking the time to respond. I'm mostly a Windows user and terminal Linux user, but at odd times I find myself on Linux desktop. I'm currently fine with Windows 10, but since I have my task bar at the top of my screen - for accessibility reasons - I don't want to update to Windows 11. So IMHO my Windows future is unsure, that's why I'm looking at alternatives whenever I can.

I was just very curious and was hoping that someone like yourself responded to my question. You have peeked my interest and I will try and play with KDE in the near future. Thanks!

Re: I made outlines for KDE Breeze window decoration

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Post by alex3305 »

smoldesu wrote: post #25
alex3305 wrote: post #13

I haven't touched KDE in maybe 15 years. I just always defaulted to Gnome when I'm on Linux desktop. But this looks more macOS like. Just curious, is there any reason I should try KDE today?

If you like MacOS, you might be presently surprised with the direction KDE has been heading over the past few years. Many apps support a global menu (eg. Mac-like menu on arbitrary panels/docks), and the trackpad support with Wayland is almost 1:1 with MacOS (only missing Force Touch). I'm very happy with how things have been headed recently, and have been using it ever since GNOME 40 dropped.

I love the look and feel of macOS and other Apple things, mostly because they just work and seem polished. Also since Apple moved to ARM, I'm having a hard time convincing myself to start something like an Hackintosh. That's why, when looking at some screenshots, KDE has really peaked my interest. It looks like the team has gone in the same direction.

Re: I made outlines for KDE Breeze window decoration

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Post by alex3305 »

azubinski wrote: post #90
alex3305 wrote: post #13

I haven't touched KDE in maybe 15 years. I just always defaulted to Gnome when I'm on Linux desktop. But this looks more macOS like. Just curious, is there any reason I should try KDE today?

Gnome as DE is extremely poor in a "non-windows management" software. Native file manager has no two panels mode, no tabs, thumbnails are too small to be useful. Pdf reader is nothing in comparison with Okular. Terminal... terminal is outdated in comparison with Konsole (no ligatures, for example). The all good points about Gnome are in windows management. KDE's WM is very flexible, of course, you can tune it as you…

Last time I tried to Gnome I had to copy a file to `/opt/`, but that location wasn't listed in it's file manager, Nautilus. Clicking on the current location didn't work and I couldn't find an address bar anywhere. On a whim I've tried to CTRL+L, which worked, to my surprise. Something like that makes your product feel extremely unpolished to a novice user. While it was probably made that way with a reason.

Re: I made outlines for KDE Breeze window decoration

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Post by unknownaccount »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #60
unknownaccount wrote: post #47

This can be accomplished on Windows11 with a custom Visual Style. Ive seen it done before on some deviantart themes. Would be cool if someone could release a stock Windows11 Visual Style with only this modified.

Just turn on accent color window borders. No third party software required.

If you want to increase the thickness I mean.

Re: I made outlines for KDE Breeze window decoration

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Post by smoldesu »

alex3305 wrote: post #103
smoldesu wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you like MacOS, you might be presently surprised with the direction KDE has been heading over the past few years. Many apps support a global menu (eg. Mac-like menu on arbitrary panels/docks), and the trackpad support with Wayland is almost 1:1 with MacOS (only missing Force Touch). I'm very happy with how things have been headed recently, and have been using it ever since GNOME 40 dropped.

I love the look and feel of macOS and other Apple things, mostly because they just work and seem polished. Also since Apple moved to ARM, I'm having a hard time convincing myself to start something like an Hackintosh. That's why, when looking at some screenshots, KDE has really peaked my interest. It looks like the team has gone in the same direction.

On AMD/Intel hardware, you can expect near-Apple levels of stability and polish on Wayland. Nvidia hardware is still getting brought up, but I'd totally recommend checking it out if you're interested.

Re: I made outlines for KDE Breeze window decoration

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Post by Jedd »

ntauthority wrote: post #91
Archelaos wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In KDE I can precisely control and set window border thickness and colour. What I do not comprehend is the logic behind why Windows does not support such in my view easy to implement choices.

It does, under the accessibility options. 'Contrast themes' allow fairly fine-grained customization, still, and a lot of legacy values that have been there since Windows 95 are still supported otherwise to some extent albeit sometimes hidden.

I've hunted through Ease of Access (as it's called in Win10), and trawled through forums, trying to find a superior solution -- but the best I could find, and manage, is shown here:

https://imgur.com/a/WgzR8j3

Obviously with a busier amount of text on fore / rear terminals, and more than just two terminals -- that lack of a clear border becomes a massive confusion.

If you've found a better configuration, please do share.

Re: I made outlines for KDE Breeze window decoration

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Post by WhyNotHugo »

A common trick on css is two add two shadows. The first one is more intense, but has a very small radius. The second one has a larger radius, but a less intense colour.

This is a play on how shadows work on real life; where objects may have a strong shadow from an overhead lamp, and a softer shadow via lighting bleeding in from windows or other rooms.

The results of this are very subtle -- an untrained eye sees just "a shadow" and not two (I can only recognise this because a designer friend taught me this trick).

I wonder if applying a similar technique on window borders could work. But instead of the inner shadow being less intense, it would be a higher contrast one. It's definitely worth exploring.

Personally, I'm prefer simple borders instead of shadows. They take up just 1 or 2px (e.g.: maximise space efficiency), and are super clear.

Re: I made outlines for KDE Breeze window decoration

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

Arnavion wrote: post #101
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for proving my point. If you need to tinker with all that in an OS just to get a usable system, then, repeat after me, it's not ready .

Good thing there's no tinkering mentioned in my comment, then.

Oh sorry, you're right, your comment was basically "it works on my computer therefore Wayland is usable, period"

Re: I made outlines for KDE Breeze window decoration

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Post by pxc »

ognarb wrote: post #20
alex3305 wrote: post #13

I haven't touched KDE in maybe 15 years. I just always defaulted to Gnome when I'm on Linux desktop. But this looks more macOS like. Just curious, is there any reason I should try KDE today?

KDE dev here. From a developer perspective, something I really love with Plasma (the 'new' branding for KDE) is that it's really modular by design. Everything on the screen is pluggable with a very simple api and can theoricaly be be swapped out or experimented with. This includes the widgets but also the visual effects. For example, Marco (a prominent Plasma hacker) just worked on a new basic tilling extension and w…

> Yakuake is a nice dropdown terminal.

This is one of the thing that (surprisingly, to me) I miss on other operating systems. Yakuake manages to be featureful, stay out of my way, and integrate perfectly with the default terminal emulator for my environment all at the same time.

I'd come to take the availability of such a dropdown terminal for granted on Linux, but it turns out that most dropdown terminal solutions are quite clunky, slow, or not well integrated compared to good ol' Yakuake.

If there are any Yakuake or Konsole contributors browsing the thread: thank you for your work!

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