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As last module docks, China completes its space station

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Re: As last module docks, China completes its space station

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Post by wellthisisgreat »

edm0nd wrote: post #37
wellthisisgreat wrote: post #13

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Nationalism, any forms of it are evil. There is no "benign nationalism" that is just people being proud for their country or whatever. It all leads to sorrow and, ultimately, destruction. Paraphrasing Voltaire, we should squash it. It is not beneficial and people can absolutely "reach for the stars" in all senses of it without nationalism. The only thing nationalism, in any form, moderate or extreme, is good for is f…

I think nationalism is just fine. Its okay to love your country and fellow citizens. It's when it turns to extremism that it gets ugly and bad.

The problem with “love your country and fellow citizens” is that even the most benign form of it becomes “my country and fellow citizens are better than everybody else”.

That’s a great sentiment to have about your family maybe but not about an abstract concept, as it becomes as evil as religion and any similar instance.

Re: As last module docks, China completes its space station

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Post by thebooktocome »

Jayab wrote: post #113
russli1993 wrote: post #112

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Some of the features I know from the Chinese space station - Solar panels smaller in area than ISS but produces similar amount of power, indicating much more efficient solar panels - Ion thrusters to keep space in orbit - Automated docking of cargo and crew capsule. Semi-automated docking of large station components like the 23ton labs - A robotic arm similar to ISS that walk along the joint points on the station. It…

So then maybe a little late to sanction their tech to keep them from being peer competitors.

Sanctions didn’t stop China from carrying out one of the most successful research and technology exfiltration campaigns in history.

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Post by modeless »

jason-phillips wrote: post #115
modeless wrote: post #108

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If you get this error, you intentionally broke your browser, or are using a browser which doesn't support standard, essential functionality. This is not the same thing as declining or blocking geolocation permission, which is supported and does not cause errors. This specific error means you deleted the standard functions that implement the geolocation API, which is a completely different thing. That's fine too, you'…

> This specific error means you deleted the standard functions that implement the geolocation API That's a rather flimsy straw man. I did no such thing. > You're not automatically entitled to request that every site support your broken configuration. Goodness, now I'm entitled. I did no such thing; I just said that blaming your users for your sloppy coding is a terrible strategy.

You say you're using iOS Safari. I'm interested to know how you were able to configure it to delete navigator.geolocation, apparently without realizing what you were doing. I don't plan to support a broken configuration like that, but if you can figure out the cause then I could file a WebKit bug on your behalf.

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Post by robocat »

jason-phillips wrote: post #86
shadowgovt wrote: post #80

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It's not just that the key isn't populated; it's that it's undefined. FWIW, my browser (Chrome) works on the site even if I choose not to share geolocation; I assume because the API is populated even if it then refrains from sharing. Your point isn't quite wrong but it also isn't quite right; geolocation is supported by every browser listed on Mozilla's documentation ( https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API…

None of the browsers on my iPhone will render this site, W3C compliant or not. In any event, I would never tell my users that it's their fault that my app didn't check the truthiness of the object's property. Seems particularly hostile to one's users and customers, free product or not.

FYI: renders on iPad with iPadOS 16.1 (iPad so no GPS). Either way, you are coming across to me as somewhat petulant - you could be right but politeness has its place too.

Re: As last module docks, China completes its space station

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Post by xattt »

modeless wrote: post #108
jason-phillips wrote: post #54

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No, it does not. An uncaught error where you don't catch and gracefully handle errors in your promises is not the users' fault. It's sloppy workmanship.

If you get this error, you intentionally broke your browser, or are using a browser which doesn't support standard, essential functionality. This is not the same thing as declining or blocking geolocation permission, which is supported and does not cause errors. This specific error means you deleted the standard functions that implement the geolocation API, which is a completely different thing. That's fine too, you'…

> Note that the site absolutely requires some form of geolocation to work at all.

You should be able to specify a viewing location if geolocation is blocked.

Re: As last module docks, China completes its space station

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Post by nordsieck »

bayesian_horse wrote: post #95
csdvrx wrote: post #7

Now let's hope it will inspire more countries, or even companies, to launch their own!

I'd prefer countries to cooperate more. There's no need to have dozens of national space stations or even launch systems. Some diversity is Ok, but it's just too damn expensive.

> I'd prefer countries to cooperate more. There's no need to have dozens of national space stations or even launch systems. Some diversity is Ok, but it's just too damn expensive.

The reason the Ariane (rocket) program exists is because the US put restrictions on European satellites if they wanted to launch on US rockets.

I'm all for cooperation, but often times you need a strong alternative in order to negotiate effectively.

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Post by ElevenLathe »

ch4s3 wrote: post #99
nonethewiser wrote: post #11

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Hopefully they solve more important problems first though.

Isn't this a logical fallacy? Rocket scientists and engineers are going to best suited to getting stuff into orbit, they aren't simply going to be able to go a solve a "more important problem". Other people are already working on those things and are likely specialists.

It's true in a way but just pushes things back a level of causality: if we train more people as aerospace engineers, then we will have fewer trained people in other specialties. We have a finite supply of enthusiastic, smart young people to drive change. The best answer of course is "do both" and make sure more of our young people are happy, enthusiastic, and able to access necessary training and education.

There are also skills that overlap: every welder that SpaceX or Lockheed employs is one less welder able to help install a water treatment plant somewhere. Here again, the solution is to train more welders.

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Post by JonathonW »

modeless wrote: post #102
peter303 wrote: post #75

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Tiangoon flybys can reaches magnitude -2 now. Bright than most planets. Next bright evening flybys overUS in early December. The ISS, which has five times more modules, reaches magnitude -4 sometimes. Third brightest thing in sky.

For clarity, #1 is the Sun and #2 is the Moon. ISS is brighter than literally everything else in space, including all the other stars and planets.

ISS isn't always brighter than Venus, which can get almost to magnitude -5 when things line up right.

The ISS will still generally be the first, second, or third brightest thing in the night sky on a good, near-overhead pass.

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Post by modeless »

xattt wrote: post #126
modeless wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you get this error, you intentionally broke your browser, or are using a browser which doesn't support standard, essential functionality. This is not the same thing as declining or blocking geolocation permission, which is supported and does not cause errors. This specific error means you deleted the standard functions that implement the geolocation API, which is a completely different thing. That's fine too, you'…

> Note that the site absolutely requires some form of geolocation to work at all. You should be able to specify a viewing location if geolocation is blocked.

> This is not the same thing as declining or blocking geolocation permission, which is supported and does not cause errors.
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