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RIPE meetings: IP addresses as spoils of war

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Re: RIPE meetings: IP addresses as spoils of war

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Post by rosnd »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #23

It was always a bit confusing how RIPE got around the Crimea switchover in 2014. They must have found a way to reallocate the system over to Russian companies as Ukranian ISPs no longer serve the region, but how they managed to do so without officially acknowledging Russian sovereignty is a mystery. Especially since they keep extensive paperwork. I asked about it on SE, https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/64179/d…

Why do you assume that Ukrainian ISP IP addresses have been transferred to Russian entities during the Crimean occupation?

This seems like a weird assumption unless you know more about the subject than I do.

Re: RIPE meetings: IP addresses as spoils of war

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Post by anticensor »

bombcar wrote: post #28
prvit wrote: post #10

It is pretty surprising that RIPEs solution to sanctions is to just offer their services for free to those who can’t pay due to sanctions.

Many things operate this way - you want to charge people who can pay but offer the service for free to those who actually cannot pay (either because of sanctions or lack of funds, etc). The tricky part is avoiding abuse; but "country claiming it is sanctioned when it is not" is pretty unlikely.

Why not apply a creditor's default to enforce the debt anyway?

Re: RIPE meetings: IP addresses as spoils of war

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Post by JauntyHatAngle »

samstave wrote: post #70
JauntyHatAngle wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You weren't, so your post didn't make sense - as it was off topic.

no, you just have poor understanding of historical-geo-political events... no insult intended.

You haven't explained how the countries you mentioned were Western powers.

kosovo, congo, rwanda are not major western powers.

Re: RIPE meetings: IP addresses as spoils of war

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Post by samstave »

JauntyHatAngle wrote: post #73
samstave wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

no, you just have poor understanding of historical-geo-political events... no insult intended.

You haven't explained how the countries you mentioned were Western powers. kosovo, congo, rwanda are not major western powers.

No, I was talking about how western powers exploited and exacerbated the controversy and pain in those countries... and by western powers I am talking about the CIA mainly... [The state department]

Source, multiple family members in the state department in the past....

for reference from head of the state department at the time:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/06/19/flashback...

Get it?

Re: RIPE meetings: IP addresses as spoils of war

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Post by JauntyHatAngle »

samstave wrote: post #74
JauntyHatAngle wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You haven't explained how the countries you mentioned were Western powers. kosovo, congo, rwanda are not major western powers.

No, I was talking about how western powers exploited and exacerbated the controversy and pain in those countries... and by western powers I am talking about the CIA mainly... [The state department] Source, multiple family members in the state department in the past.... for reference from head of the state department at the time: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/06/19/flashback... Get it?

No, because you missed the point of the post you were responding to. They were clearly talking about the effect of conflict between major powers.

Huge genocides are horrific tragedies but did not effect the development of technology like wartime did.

Re: RIPE meetings: IP addresses as spoils of war

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Post by samstave »

JauntyHatAngle wrote: post #75
samstave wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I was talking about how western powers exploited and exacerbated the controversy and pain in those countries... and by western powers I am talking about the CIA mainly... [The state department] Source, multiple family members in the state department in the past.... for reference from head of the state department at the time: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/06/19/flashback... Get it?

No, because you missed the point of the post you were responding to. They were clearly talking about the effect of conflict between major powers. Huge genocides are horrific tragedies but did not effect the development of technology like wartime did.

>>when there wasn't significant conflict between major powers.

im talking to this point as there were massive proxy-wars/conflagration of conflict in that time period mentioned...

But to your point ;; "did not affect development of technology"

welp ;; surveillance tech has been massively successfully developed DURING that period

Re: RIPE meetings: IP addresses as spoils of war

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Post by JauntyHatAngle »

samstave wrote: post #76
JauntyHatAngle wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, because you missed the point of the post you were responding to. They were clearly talking about the effect of conflict between major powers. Huge genocides are horrific tragedies but did not effect the development of technology like wartime did.

>> when there wasn't significant conflict between major powers. im talking to this point as there were massive proxy-wars/conflagration of conflict in that time period mentioned... But to your point ;; " did not affect development of technology " welp ;; surveillance tech has been massively successfully developed DURING that period

Its fine to talk to that point, I dont even disagree, but it had nothing to do with the point being discussed. Anyway, god speed to you.

Re: RIPE meetings: IP addresses as spoils of war

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Post by samstave »

JauntyHatAngle wrote: post #77
samstave wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> when there wasn't significant conflict between major powers. im talking to this point as there were massive proxy-wars/conflagration of conflict in that time period mentioned... But to your point ;; " did not affect development of technology " welp ;; surveillance tech has been massively successfully developed DURING that period

Its fine to talk to that point, I dont even disagree, but it had nothing to do with the point being discussed. Anyway, god speed to you.

Cheers!!! <3
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