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Re: SourceHut terms of service updates, cryptocurrency projects to be removed

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Can anyone elaborate on this? Cryptography course at my university covers blockchains and we were never made aware of this. And academic community in general seems to be unaware, not a single blockchain talk I attended drew attention to this.

elaborate on what specifically? There are plenty of academics talking about blockchain = bad. If you took a CS course, likely people were invested themselves or do not see it that way, f.e. if they either care about making money or a libertarian idea of freedom which sees government as bad, and needs 'uncensored' money.

I took courses with focus on theory, performance and security of blockchains. I never cared much about the practical situation, and all those things Drew criticizes blockchain for. Blockchain is a cool thing from TCS perspective — end of story for me.

I'm actually teaching a course in Cryptography right now that touches blockchain a bit. And I asked this question with a practical purpose to know if there are any warnings I should give my students about practical implications of the technology.

> elaborate on what specifically?

> plenty of academics talking about blockchain = bad

Elaborate of what is "bad" specifically, and suggest any specific trustworthy academics who made any statements like that.

Re: SourceHut terms of service updates, cryptocurrency projects to be removed

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Yes, you will. What else does this mean: > The scope of this is intended to cover incidents where users harass other users or make bigoted, racist, homophobic, transphobic, etc, comments on our platform. You say "harass other users OR make bigoted...etc, comments on our platform." The fact that you said "or" means that you intend to kick users off who make comments that you judge to be that, even if it's not harassme…

"Certain [gender|sexual|racial|etc] identities are not valid" is a political opinion held by those to whom I am quite comfortable telling, as the official policy of SourceHut, to go fuck themselves.

Just to be clear though: are you kicking them off, or telling them to go fuck themselves? Because your comment above indicates that you wouldn't kick people off for simply having different political opinions.

Re: SourceHut terms of service updates, cryptocurrency projects to be removed

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> for example git could be described as a application of blockchain technology Git isn't a blockchain as it lacks a consensus mechanism. It can however be used as an append only immutable distributed ledger. If that's all you need, you don't need a blockchain. That's precisely why consortium and private blockchains do not make any sense. Either they have a consensus mechanism that's useless and wasteful, or they're j…

> Git isn't a blockchain as it lacks a consensus mechanism. Isn't for example for Linux technically Linus acting as the "consensus mechanism"? Or does it have to be automated?

That's not distributed consensus it's centralized consensus, it could be automated without the need for a blockchain.

Re: SourceHut terms of service updates, cryptocurrency projects to be removed

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> > and sanctions evasion. Yeah, most people in sanctioned countries are victims of their own governments. Please punish them more by not allowing them to send and receive money that their lives could depend on. Cryptocurrency helps remove at least a little bit of that pain for many families around the world. > I'm going to send this to everyone who I know is involved in crypto/blockchain. I bet you've complained abo…

Technological solutions to social problems are the root of all evil. The solution doesn’t lie in the cryptocurrencies or similar systems. This only results in more cat and mouse games, nothing else. Ah, we also waste a lot of energy, I bet this is not important in the midst of climate change and energy crisis we’re having.

We use* a lot more energy to maintain fiat money that's controlled by governments and their central banks. What's your point?

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Technological solutions to social problems are the root of all evil. The solution doesn’t lie in the cryptocurrencies or similar systems. This only results in more cat and mouse games, nothing else. Ah, we also waste a lot of energy, I bet this is not important in the midst of climate change and energy crisis we’re having.

We use* a lot more energy to maintain fiat money that's controlled by governments and their central banks. What's your point?

I don't think we spend a country worth of energy to run data centers which support the financial system around the world.

A top of the line supercomputing center needs 4-6 megawatts of energy, cooling and utilities included. CERN's main power supply is around 12-15 megawatts IIRC. Bitcoin network needs as much energy as a mid sized European country, which is way bigger than this number.

A normal bank data center probably needs 1-2 megawatts at most, on the other hand.

That's the power aspect.

On the other hand cryptocurrencies are slowly started to being regulated, so they'll be divided to legal and illegal ones. So money laundering will be no different regardless of the medium/currency you use.

It's the cat and mouse game part. Cryptocurrencies are trying to go against systems which are built over centuries, if not millenia.

Good luck with that.

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Bitcoin

btc is probably the worst as it will never move from PoW. And only has the price it does due to bridging to other chains probably.

PoW is the only way to secure a decentralised ledger. It's literally the magic that makes it valuable as money. Thank God it'll never move away from Proof-of-Work.

Re: SourceHut terms of service updates, cryptocurrency projects to be removed

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Seems like you are saying that anything primarily relying on a permissionless and distributed consensus mechanism will not get a pass.

That's not what I am saying at all. Please read the article, it's very specific on what kind of activity is prohibited.

Thanks for being responsive here. I would really appreciate it if you could satisfy my curiosity.

So, following on the logic presented - any project that slightly touches on decentralized finance is problematic?

How about languages? Would smart contract languages like Solidity, Vyper, Huff and Move be disallowed under this policy?

Would repositories touching on ECDSA suddenly be impacted? Will research repos into ZKP use in blockchain?

How can security researchers add exploitation examples that use one of the aforementioned languages? I assume you didn't intend to prevent knowledge sharing that can actually educate developers and prevent attackers from affecting the same unsuspecting users this move supposedly helps.

Like most things, this is a complex topic which spans large intertwined ecosystems. They don't all boil down to get rich quick schemes - that's the part I find most misguided.

Keeping with the sentiment you present, a less destructive and easier to digest policy for consumers ( without arbitrarily dismissing all blockchain-adjacent development teams ) would be something like making sure tokens ( ERC20, for example ) and other forms of digital assets require some kind of approval process with your scrutiny.

Blanket banning the Ethereum codebase due to fear of potential fraud / misuse is the equivalent of demolishing the building a stock exchange is in when proper recourse would be de-listing or freezing stocks that are suspected of being fraudulent.

"These domains are strongly associated with fraudulent activities and high-risk investments which take advantage of people who are suffering from economic hardship and growing global wealth inequality"

This can easily be applied to other markets. Does that mean that a repository that helps fetch current OTC stock prices be disallowed as well? If it doesn't, why would that be different from an API for crypto conversion rates?

I feel like this could have been handled better - wouldn't it be a bit easier if you define a much narrower scope than "prohibition of cryptocurrency or blockchain-related projects"?

There are a lot of projects that depend on the use of validated ( or fiat reserve based ) cryptocurrencies and are not widely considered to be scams as your opinion suggests. Just take a look at Aave, Superfluid and certain DAO projects. There are governance mechanisms in place - they may not be everyone's cup of tea, but neither are moves done by non-blockchain companies in the public sphere.

Preventing access to technologies for decentralized accumulation / pooling of wealth ( DAOs, for example ) just aligns SourceHut with centralized regulatory measures and extreme censorship, causing more issues to those already harmed by censorship and abuse of power from their own governments.

Re: SourceHut terms of service updates, cryptocurrency projects to be removed

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okgood riddance. and as a consumer, i applaud your decision to make it easy to migrate your customers' data to other hosting provider. it shows that you won't take your customers' goods as hostage which makes the public opinion -- especially hn crowd -- of you much better.

maybe next year i will become a customer of you. i still don't have the energy to apply credit cards.

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