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Re: Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news?

#191

I’m going darker by the day. I don’t seek out news, and when I do read it, I tend to feel disturbed by how little it presents as reporting, and instead, how much it appears to have an agenda. I could do better. I followed the Ukraine-Russia war for a while, and although I wasn’t glued to it, I put too much focus on it. There is literally nothing that happens if I know what’s going on there. Nothing at all. It distrac…

> There is literally nothing that happens if I know what’s going on there. > Nothing at all. It distracts me from my family, friends, work, and myself. > I have no interesting insights or original thoughts about it, and if I did, > absolutely no one would care. So why read it? Do you vote or participate in politics in any way or do events in the news directly affect your life? One reason it's rational to read the new…

> If you don't read the news, then you're at risk of lacking important contextual knowledge about society and social norms.

It’s been at least a decade since news has been a reflection of social norms (I’m in Canada). It feels more and more disconnected and like they’re either pushing agendas or simply filling airtime so they can serve the right amount of ads.

Re: Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news?

#192
Used to be always on Twitter, YouTube news channels, Reddit and various online publications. But over time, I've cut everything out except HN & The Economist. The Economist has a free-market bias but gives a decent round of up what's going on in the world.

Re: Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news?

#193
In the last months I identified a pattern in my media consumption. When there is a huge new issue (Covid, War on Ukraine, Fukushima…) I turn on the news. And yes, various big international reputable sources (NY Times, Wash Post, BBC, Reuters, Spiegel, Süddeutsche) plus the independent journalists I found over the years to be reliable and professional, usually in podcast format. Then I dive into it and try to get as good as an understanding as I can. Until there is a saturation point where it doesn’t help my everyday routine anymore. The question that I try to answer during that period is: Should I somehow change my behavior?

With Covid, it was figuring out how to navigate social situations. What are useful measures, which ones are useless? With the Ukraine it was, is my family in immediate danger? Is there something I can do to help from where I am at?

When I found an answer to these questions, I adjust my behavior and I turn the news off and only tune in occasionally to follow along and check if those answers are still valid or did something fundamentally change.

I normally read one of the big news papers here in Germany, die Zeit, to keep an eye on local and country wide politics. Usually I scan the headlines and then read one or two articles a week.

In addition to that I follow several journalistic podcasts that provide more detailed information and context on ongoing topics. They are typically a once a week overview. From the show notes, I jump to one or two long form articles if I want to know more about a certain topic.

From where I am at, there is nothing I can do to shape the course of the world at large, but I also don’t want to lose contact. But yes, I prefer to get a detailed breakdown afterwards than a live ticker.

There is also the regional events and decisions in my neighborhood and kids school to keep up with, which is where I feel it is my citizen’s responsibility to stay informed and ideally participate in the decision making process.

I am also trying to block out tech news that are not immediately relevant to my current work as that also easily distracts me.

The senders are all turned up to eleven and is up to the receiver to filter out the noise.

The book that had the biggest influence on how I consume media was Neil Postman‘s Amusing ourselves to death.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/74034.Amusing_Ourselves_...

Re: Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news?

#194

In Sweden we have a site called https://bubb.la ( https://cor.ax/ in english) that summarize the big news only and do it objectively with zero ads. I'm sure there are similar sites in other countries.

created an account just to flag this veiled right wing fake news anti vaccine cesspool.

I don't know how good these sites are for sweden news, but they are outright fake news for world news.

Re: Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news?

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What sources of news are reliable on the conflict? I can't find anything which doesn't reek of propaganda: Western or Russian.

This seems to be a core problem of a lot of people. The inability to discern that not everything has an agenda and is propaganda. Most western media (Murdock/Berlusconi type oligarch media aside) is fairly factual. It doesn't have 'spin' or 'agenda' in the sense that the journalists conspire to mislead (they don't have time for this).

Why does it take time to mislead?

I am envious of your faith in western media in much the same way I am envious of highly religious people that are certain what happens upon death: seems comfortable and reassuring, but it is likely not true.

Re: Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news?

#196

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> The claim that western media is full of propaganda is just kremlin propaganda. This made me chuckle.

You have to ask this question: How is the government controlling the media? In Russia's case, it's pretty clear. They have laws to prohibit free press, jail time for claiming things opposite to the Kremlin. In some other cases, it's more subtle. In Hungary, Orban's influence on the media is very high, and not healthy for a democracy. But if you claim that the most objective news sources in the west still show straigh…

You are only focusing on government punishing journalists and journalists complying due to fear. This ignores journalists being lazy by accepting and printing leaked stories from government as truth without any verification. Another example is not reporting on topics due to fear of losing their job or social status because it goes against a popular narrative.

Re: Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news?

#197
I used to generally read most news, I didn't particularly care for bias because I was reading aggregates. You get multiple links and the bias becomes visible and handled. It was amusing to see how some news agencies simply dont report the news if it hurts their side. Once you see this happen, their reputation drops quite a lot and future news articles are taken with a grain of salt. Both sides do this, but it really lets you weed out the political activists from the journalists. Sadly the STEM movement has robbed most of the good people from being journalists, so this ratio is getting worse.

The freedom protest in Ottawa this year is what broke me. The absolute propaganda which was published against the protest was beyond shocking to me. Truck drivers tend to be sikh in Canada; calling a bunch of brown people a bunch of nazis? wtf?

It was the end of covid restrictions; 90% of the USA had dropped restrictions. Majority of europe had dropped. Canada was meanwhile increasing. A protest was certain to occur.

If I were PM, I'd go get on their stage and talk to them with reasonable position. I wouldn't be obligated to jump instantly but if you were to say, ok, restrictions drop in a month. Sure wipes out the protest. Instead they never got an audience with even a low level staffer? The media and government treated the protest as if they were nazis, there are no nazis in Canada. Absolutely ridiculous. The government showed their hand and it's clear to me the bought and paid for media is simply an extension of the government. Willing to publish government propaganda? I have no interest in reading any of their "news".

Re: Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news?

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You're probably being downvoted because of the mere suggestion that Western propaganda is shaping the narrative but this is something that also irks me. I do not defend at all any of Russia's actions but the fact that it's just become commonly accepted that the war happened because "PuTiN iS cRaZyyy" is kinda scary. Absolutely no mention of the US' role in this or the fact that NATO specifically sent Boris to stop th…

The war started in 2014, following the Euromaidan protests, and the Russian invasion of Crimea. Putin isn't crazy - he's coldly calculating, and clearly demonstrated his ruthlessness in Chechnya (which the world chose to ignore).

“Crimea's election committee said that 97% of voters backed a union between the largely ethnic-Russian peninsula and the huge neighboring country.”

“Residents of Crimea, up to 60% percent of whom are Russian, were given a choice of either joining Russia or opting for more autonomy from Ukraine under the 1992 constitution.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/03/16/crimea-...

Re: Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news?

#199

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Sure, so I guess you're being willingly misled here because the most important thing is dunking on red states due to your politics. So, if some random article says "Dallas is less safe than NYC," you are forced to believe it even though the article weighted covid vaccine rate at 90% and murder at 10%.

The average American is much more likely to die from Covid than from murder (and, in the recent past, Covid was the far more likely fate), so this doesn't seem crazy on its face.

What is an average American?

Re: Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news?

#200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The claim that western media is full of propaganda is just kremlin propaganda. This made me chuckle.

You have to ask this question: How is the government controlling the media? In Russia's case, it's pretty clear. They have laws to prohibit free press, jail time for claiming things opposite to the Kremlin. In some other cases, it's more subtle. In Hungary, Orban's influence on the media is very high, and not healthy for a democracy. But if you claim that the most objective news sources in the west still show straigh…

One example from the latest podcast from The Telegraph: they spent a lot of time talking about the wheat from Ukraine going to the "global south."

But a few days ago a Turkish minister said over 60% was sold to Europe, so which is it?

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