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Re: Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news?

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post #61

I live in Ukraine. From 2015 till 2022 I didn’t read or watched news and no social media or blogs or analytics. Then war started. Now I follow news everyday, because I have to take care of my family’s security. I follow analytics of battlefields progress so if I see warning signs I would have to take decisions to move my family further to the western part. I follow news on volunteers who help military so I can take a…

What sources of news are reliable on the conflict? I can't find anything which doesn't reek of propaganda: Western or Russian.

In general case it is impossible to report news objectively. I personally do not mind propaganda per se anymore. I mean it is ok with me, if the source has a political agenda. I praise media who state their agenda clearly. But what I do not tolerate is the outright lying. I do not like hidden agenda, though it can be revealed by watching a source for some time.

Moreover propaganda-phobia is bad by itself. It can be a tool of a propaganda.

Re: Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news?

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I’m going darker by the day. I don’t seek out news, and when I do read it, I tend to feel disturbed by how little it presents as reporting, and instead, how much it appears to have an agenda. I could do better. I followed the Ukraine-Russia war for a while, and although I wasn’t glued to it, I put too much focus on it. There is literally nothing that happens if I know what’s going on there. Nothing at all. It distrac…

Just today I ran across this widely promoted ABC/CBS article claiming that "Texas, Oklahoma ranked among least safest states in the country". The type of supposedly non-opinion flavor piece syndicated above-the-fold in Windows 11 Search, Apple News, Android home pages, and Reddit/Twitter defaults. https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/texas-oklahoma-ranked-among... It turns out that it is wholly based on a corporate PR pu…

Just for fun, it's also worth noting that "Texas, Oklahoma ranked among least safest states in the country" doesn't actually mean anything - at least not anything of importance. It feels like it should mean those states are "unsafe" but that's not necessarily true.

There must always be a "most safe" and "least safe" state (by a given measure) - but if the spread between them is insignificant then that's not particularly important information. Even less so when the headline qualifies with "ranks among" so they're not even the actual least safe.

Re: Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news?

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I've cut out most news that is potentially controversial (although working on cutting out more and disciplining myslef since I find myself spending a lot of potentially productive time (for work or hobbies) on scrolling reddit, HN, ArsTechnica etc.

It's been good for my health so far since it helps me get more of the things I want to do outside of work done (thus reducing late night existential panic attacks over what I'm making of my life).

I do still use Twitter etc but I've filtered out most things so all I see is stuff directly related to my hobbies.

If something especially interesting happens I tend to just hear about it in jokes from friends and family and maybe I'll look it up then. But I don't generally go after most news actively.

Re: Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news?

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post #15

I don’t think you should live without news. Being informed and discussing things happening around us is a natural expectation of community. I suggest find a balanced way to consume some so you can be reasonably well informed. It’s not social media that is entirely bad, rather it’s the notifications and infinite scrolling feed which cause cognitive overload. I changed my consumption habits and don’t open news apps min…

I will pay the social cost of being less informed for my mental health and well-being.

Re: Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news?

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post #61

I live in Ukraine. From 2015 till 2022 I didn’t read or watched news and no social media or blogs or analytics. Then war started. Now I follow news everyday, because I have to take care of my family’s security. I follow analytics of battlefields progress so if I see warning signs I would have to take decisions to move my family further to the western part. I follow news on volunteers who help military so I can take a…

What sources of news are reliable on the conflict? I can't find anything which doesn't reek of propaganda: Western or Russian.

You're probably being downvoted because of the mere suggestion that Western propaganda is shaping the narrative but this is something that also irks me. I do not defend at all any of Russia's actions but the fact that it's just become commonly accepted that the war happened because "PuTiN iS cRaZyyy" is kinda scary. Absolutely no mention of the US' role in this or the fact that NATO specifically sent Boris to stop the peace negotiations between Ukraine and Russia that would've prevented this or that Biden has been very explicit about a foreign policy to "weaken Russia" since taking office.

The complete lack of geopolitical and historical context in the media around this event has really shaken my trust. In the future I'll probably just be heading directly to the history books rather than trying to parse out the missing context from the media

Re: Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news?

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I very much want the news, as a US citizen and for keeping up on what might affect me in the economy, business, e.g., my startup, medicine, technology, family, etc.

Occasionally I get some quite good information and leads to good information from Hacker News. And I have a few other sources.

Then there is what is commonly called the MSM -- mainstream media. It could be on paper, on TV, or on the Internet. Well, I want nothing to do with their paper, junked my TV sets, but do make a lot of use of the Internet.

From news articles, I want the writing at least to come up to common high school standards for writing term papers, especially careful references hopefully to credible, respected, objective primary sources for all claims.

But I want more: I want data, data presentations, and data analysis. For data presentations I want, say, graphs done like can find in articles on applied statistics, physics, applied math, and engineering -- again, with good references, and, maybe surprising, axes can actually read with annotation, large type, thick lines, thick tick marks, usually solid black on a white background. Then for data analysis, I realize that that is asking a bit much of the MSM.

That's what I want. I do hope, and have some hope, that the Internet is letting new sources with content for selected audiences provide more of what I want.

But for the MSM today, I absolutely, positively, flatly refuse to take anything from them at all seriously. Ah, maybe there is an exception: I should also be well informed on hoaxes, scams, fads, total nonsense, ugly perversions, despicable outrages, destructive, manipulative propaganda, etc., and I trust the MSM to give me a lot of that. But I don't get much of that from the MSM because I refuse to pay any serious attention to the MSM. To me, the MSM has no credibility, none, is fundamentally corrupting and dishonest.

My standard remark for the MSM is that on paper they can't compete with Charmin and on the Internet they are useless for wrapping dead fish heads. But the MSM is worse than that; the MSM is corrupting, harmful.

In particular, when posts here at Hacker News are to articles in the MSM, nearly always I will immediately, strongly, solidly, bitterly refuse to look. I'm not going there. It's bad stuff, and I just won't go there.

Yes, I'm angry with the MSM. This is not a small thing with me, and not temporary or a snap reaction. Instead I've been angry with the MSM and slowly developing better understanding of what they do and why for years. I have learned that a lot of what the MSM does goes way back and, actually, was neatly explained in the 1930s movie Meet John Doe and other movies.

What the MSM does is not a secret, and it is not just waste but deeply corrupting. I strongly believe in the First Amendment, but US citizens need to be critical readers, informed consumers, to understand how bad the MSM really is.

The only future I see for the MSM is that they just go out of business. They can be replaced by new sources on the Internet where they pay nothing for ink or paper. For the images, still or video, those are now getting much cheaper and easier to do. Writing some HTML is much easier than setting type or setting up a fancy studio set with hollow headed, blow-dried anchors.

Fixing the MSM is pointless, would be a waste of money: Their credibility is GONE, and it would be very expensive to bring it back and much better use of the money just to start new sources. MSM, all of you, bye, bye.

Re: Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news?

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post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What sources of news are reliable on the conflict? I can't find anything which doesn't reek of propaganda: Western or Russian.

This seems to be a core problem of a lot of people. The inability to discern that not everything has an agenda and is propaganda. Most western media (Murdock/Berlusconi type oligarch media aside) is fairly factual. It doesn't have 'spin' or 'agenda' in the sense that the journalists conspire to mislead (they don't have time for this).

In my experience, most news nowadays has an agenda: selling itself. Newspapers and the main tv news have become far more clickbaity and far less informative. These used to be fairly decent sources of news; nowadays, you'll learn what some folks in your country are shouting on twitter, how b-rank celebrities are messing up their lives, and what's happening in the nation and in the US. Perhaps 2-3 tidbits of big international news.

You'll have next to no clue what's happening in middle nor South America, Africa, China, India, the rest of Asia, or the Arab peninsula.

In short: a lot of news nowadays has the agenda of selling itself and takes time to select stories and spin headlines for this. It has become genuinely harder to stay reasonably informed about what's going on in the world.

Re: Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news?

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post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What sources of news are reliable on the conflict? I can't find anything which doesn't reek of propaganda: Western or Russian.

In general case it is impossible to report news objectively. I personally do not mind propaganda per se anymore. I mean it is ok with me, if the source has a political agenda. I praise media who state their agenda clearly. But what I do not tolerate is the outright lying. I do not like hidden agenda, though it can be revealed by watching a source for some time. Moreover propaganda-phobia is bad by itself. It can be a…

The problem is when you are using propaganda as the source of information that the life of your family depends on.
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