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Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by ajmurmann »

chasd00 wrote: post #165
ajmurmann wrote: post #102

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But in F1 it's exciting because you never know what rules they are gonna enforce this time and for whom. /s Edit: on a more serious note: The regulations are so tight to keep it exciting. Frustratingly, if the regulations are more open, one of the better funded teams will just run away with the best car. That already happened in some seasons, but would be even worse without tight regulations.

I think many of the regulations in F1 are because people generally don’t like to watch other people die. F1 drivers killing themselves all over the track is bad for business.

That's definitely another source of regulations. Many of the very specific regulations that dictate minute details are about more competitive races though. For example the current regulation changes that called in effect in 2022 were all about aero that allows for better following and thus wheel-to-wheel racing. Mercedes' wing that flexed a few microns too much had nothing to do with safety

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Post by dereg »

optymizer wrote: post #160
dereg wrote: post #153

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I love this clip so much - I pulled it off so many times in Need For Speed but games like Gran Turismo always nerfed to move. There are so many moves that were obvious in video games but (bafflingly, to a kid like me) were never adopted until much, much later like: • NFL - Going for it on 4th down • NFL - QB spamming scramble moves (w/ Michael Vick) • NBA - Spamming 3 pointers (w/ Steph Curry)

For what it's worth, I learnt to play basketball in Eastern Europe about 25 years ago, and there was a much bigger emphasis on 3 pointers back then. Pretty much everyone was able to make 3 point shots regardless of their main position. When I came to the US, I was surprised that people were amazed that "the big guy can shoot 3s". I played center, but it was normal for me to work on free throws, 3 point shots, and als…

Good point. Mike D'Antoni credits his experience in Italy for the offenses he implemented in the NBA. To your point, while video games may not have originated these ideas, they provide both a creative space to try wild ideas as well as help change the culture to become receptive to these sorts of experiments.

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Post by zerocrates »

chasd00 wrote: post #162
jefftk wrote: post #56

Reminds me of another example of video-game inspired tactics: Just before he reached the end zone, with 17 seconds remaining, Stokley cut right at 90 degrees and ran across the field. Six seconds drained off the clock before, at last, he meandered across the goal line to score the winning touchdown. For certain football fans, the excitement of a last-minute comeback now commingled with the shock of the familiar: It's…

I haven’t seen it in a while but it use to be fairly common to take a delay of game penalty (sometimes two in a row) to wind down the clock. /American football

The NFL has rules to try make this ineffective: for one, taking two delay of game penalties in a row is an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. There's also various rules that try to eliminate strategic use of penalties to run down the clock by making the clock stop on penalties at the ends of the halves.

You still see delay of game penalties by teams running down the clock fairly regularly, but it's more to just use every available second of the play clock up, typically in a situation where the distance loss isn't very important (like right before a punt).

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Post by zeven7 »

Fezzik wrote: post #87
toomuchtodo wrote: post #77

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelk > Nelk is known for popularizing and later trademarking the slang term "Full Send" (stylized as FULL SEND) which Forgeard defined as meaning "any activity you do, give it your absolute best".

A point of note: the phrase was popular in the climbing/skiing/snowboarding/mountain biking communities years and years before the frat boys appropriated it for activities mostly pertaining to drinking a lot and being a degenerate.

I'm sure that's true, while at the same time it could help answer some of what the parent was asking "Why am I hearing this term more and more?"

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Post by Moto7451 »

backtoyoujim wrote: post #142
daguava wrote: post #81

This is one of those events that I'm of several minds about: 1) This is what keeps people outside the scene interested and taking note - NASCAR absolutely should publicize and play up this moment, it brings a lot of folks to the sport. It was incredibly awesome. 2) A lot of times something like this is how you form some new regulations - it's truly one of those "You know, this was excellent but we can't do it again"…

The sidewall of the track should have some way to impart boost.

That’s not too far off from how Darlington and a few other tracks work. If you “ride the cushion” of air between the car and the wall you can drive faster than being a few inches away from the wall or rubbing the wall.

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Post by swader999 »

ekianjo wrote: post #96
QuadmasterXLII wrote: post #2

Of all the forms of immortality, my favorite is participating in a competition in such a brilliant, incorrect way that a rule is permanently added just for you.

> Of all the forms of immortality, my favorite is participating in a competition in such a brilliant, incorrect way that a rule is permanently added just for you. That's precisely why car races are boring these days. Everything is forbidden and over-regulated so there's no space for innovation anymore. Look at F1 and its bloat of regulations.

And yet here we are!

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Post by Moto7451 »

carabiner wrote: post #65
w-ll wrote: post #15

This is also the shortest short track NASCAR races, its in Martinsville, VA. Known as "The paperclip". This was a lot fun to watch. #1 Ross Chastain had to get more points than #11 Denny Hamlin to qualify. He was in 10th I think when he went full send with the wall, putting an arms length in front of Denny at the very last second to finish #5th. Short track races are fun because the do have a lot of rubbing, but they…

> went full send with the wall How did the term "full send" come about? Why is everyone saying it these days?

I think I heard it from the Sky F1 commentators first. It’s making its way through the rest of Motorsport from there I’d guess. Netflix’s Drive to Survive series has had a really profound effect on Formula 1 in the US.

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Post by sixstringtheory »

hattmall wrote: post #135
TulliusCicero wrote: post #70

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This is really interesting. The incentive to pull off this kind of move, running the clock down a bit, that was already present. But there's a certain social expectation that you won't game the rules so blatantly, so that's a disincentive. What the existence of video games does, is allow people to do things like this in an environment where social expectations and pressure don't really exist. It's like a psychologica…

There's no social expectation in football. People don't generally do stuff like this because of the risk.

This is the right answer. There have been running backs, kick returners and pass receivers who thought they had outrun the opponents and slowed down towards the end zone to gawk and show off, and wound up getting tackled short of what should have been an easy touchdown by people that caught up to them. I wouldn’t be surprised if, in at least one of those cases, the defense then showed up and forced a turnover after a three-and-out on a first and goal.
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