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Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by killjoywashere »

yxwvut wrote: post #90
carabiner wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> went full send with the wall How did the term "full send" come about? Why is everyone saying it these days?

I'm 99% sure that it originated in climbing - it's been a term since the 80s at least (short for ascend - to 'send' a climbing route is to climb it successfully without falling or weighting the rope). Outside climbing I first noticed its use in the mid/late '00s in mountain biking (which has a fair bit of overlapping user base), and then in other extreme sports. In the jump from climbing to other extreme sports it be…

I think it has to be mountain biking. It's the perfect thought to have in your head when you're looking at something that is potentially crazy, but you know the laws of physics are almost certainly going to have your back as long as your technique is good.

First time I heard it I was near the bottom of the UC Santa Cruz trails into Highway 9 contemplating this section called "the poop chute" which gets steeper and rockier until you hit a 2-3 foot drop among boulders and the only solution is to have enough speed that you end up in the road. And by "the road" I mean the apex of a blind hairpin turn of Highway 9.

I had been out of the sport for 20 years but kept riding road and my buddy got me back in with a sweet deal on a YT Jeffsy we kitted up with spare parts from all his friends. Carbon everything. A bike that did not exist in any dimension when I stopped riding.

Well, this was probably my seventh or eighth weekend trying to negotiate this chute and there are these 17-20 year old kids at the top and I ask them how to do this. And this guy, with all the confidence of Santa Cruz and youth says, with a big, easy grin, "Yeah, it's just hang way back and full send." And I looked at him. And I looked at the chute. And back at him. And my brain, married with two kids, was like "I see. Ok." And I did it.

Full send. Was exactly what my brain needed to think. It works weirdly well.

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by doublepg23 »

lostlogin wrote: post #114
TulliusCicero wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is really interesting. The incentive to pull off this kind of move, running the clock down a bit, that was already present. But there's a certain social expectation that you won't game the rules so blatantly, so that's a disincentive. What the existence of video games does, is allow people to do things like this in an environment where social expectations and pressure don't really exist. It's like a psychologica…

> an environment where social expectations and pressure don't really exist. It’s almost inverted. The expectation is often for gamers to be as exploitative as possible. There is a lot of hilarity to be had by all with a play that gets a win in ann unexpected way, and it has quite a culture around it. It can go too far to be sure, but in good measure it’s often what is best about multiplayer games.

Put a more negative way, but perhaps more funny: "Given the opportunity gamers will optimize fun out of a game."

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by songshu »

discardedrefuse wrote: post #104
TulliusCicero wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is really interesting. The incentive to pull off this kind of move, running the clock down a bit, that was already present. But there's a certain social expectation that you won't game the rules so blatantly, so that's a disincentive. What the existence of video games does, is allow people to do things like this in an environment where social expectations and pressure don't really exist. It's like a psychologica…

> The incentive to pull off this kind of move, running the clock down a bit, that was already present. But there's a certain social expectation that you won't game the rules so blatantly, so that's a disincentive. Clock management is a pretty big aspect of (American) football strategy and very much expected. I don't think anyone considers it gaming the rules. Just off the top of my head: - Teams with comfortable lead…

The Super Bowl in 2013 featured an intentional safety. Losing points but running the clock down. The play was predicted by one attendee at the party I was at —- a British gentleman whose introduction to football had been the Madden games.

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by sbm_au »

carabiner wrote: post #65
w-ll wrote: post #15

This is also the shortest short track NASCAR races, its in Martinsville, VA. Known as "The paperclip". This was a lot fun to watch. #1 Ross Chastain had to get more points than #11 Denny Hamlin to qualify. He was in 10th I think when he went full send with the wall, putting an arms length in front of Denny at the very last second to finish #5th. Short track races are fun because the do have a lot of rubbing, but they…

> went full send with the wall How did the term "full send" come about? Why is everyone saying it these days?

To add to the other replies, there's two etymologies that I know of.

The first and most common explanation, is that when a film crew working with an extreme sports athlete would successfully capture a moment on film, they would mail the tape in to the film editor or marketing department - literally send the tape. So when they were doing lots of takes, before rolling the cameras everyone would encourage each other to "send it this time".

(The term "beta" referring to detailed description of a location or technique, came about similarly, as it refers to passing around a literal Betamax tape of another person performing that stunt or rock climb)

The alternate explanation is that it is simply short for "ascend", as in exhorting a rock climber to "ascend it".

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by ricktdotorg »

ekianjo wrote: post #96
QuadmasterXLII wrote: post #2

Of all the forms of immortality, my favorite is participating in a competition in such a brilliant, incorrect way that a rule is permanently added just for you.

> Of all the forms of immortality, my favorite is participating in a competition in such a brilliant, incorrect way that a rule is permanently added just for you. That's precisely why car races are boring these days. Everything is forbidden and over-regulated so there's no space for innovation anymore. Look at F1 and its bloat of regulations.

have you tried watching BTCC/British Touring Car Championship? it's a lot of inches-apart racing with a lot of actual contact and some incredibly skilled drivers. can be quite thrilling!

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by [deleted] »

yuliyp wrote: post #95
TulliusCicero wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is really interesting. The incentive to pull off this kind of move, running the clock down a bit, that was already present. But there's a certain social expectation that you won't game the rules so blatantly, so that's a disincentive. What the existence of video games does, is allow people to do things like this in an environment where social expectations and pressure don't really exist. It's like a psychologica…

That social expectation isn't really present in american football: teams will do lots of different things to manipulate the game clock toward the end (choose to run vs pass because the clock stops on incomplete passes or if the ball goes out of bounds, taking a knee, spiking the ball).

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Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by mertd »

ekianjo wrote: post #96
QuadmasterXLII wrote: post #2

Of all the forms of immortality, my favorite is participating in a competition in such a brilliant, incorrect way that a rule is permanently added just for you.

> Of all the forms of immortality, my favorite is participating in a competition in such a brilliant, incorrect way that a rule is permanently added just for you. That's precisely why car races are boring these days. Everything is forbidden and over-regulated so there's no space for innovation anymore. Look at F1 and its bloat of regulations.

Motorsports are different than other sports because the drivers' lives are under very real risk. A lot of the regulation is to keep the drivers alive. It comes at the expense of excitement but we would all agree it's necessary.

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Post by thrwyoilarticle »

thereisnospork wrote: post #48
moron4hire wrote: post #41

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It probably would violate the external profile standards, even if the regulators wouldn't understand the purpose on first seeing it.

How much camber is allowed on the right wheels though, can you go full hella-flush? Asking for a friend :)

Camber increases as the suspension compresses...

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by afarrell »

lostlogin wrote: post #114
TulliusCicero wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is really interesting. The incentive to pull off this kind of move, running the clock down a bit, that was already present. But there's a certain social expectation that you won't game the rules so blatantly, so that's a disincentive. What the existence of video games does, is allow people to do things like this in an environment where social expectations and pressure don't really exist. It's like a psychologica…

> an environment where social expectations and pressure don't really exist. It’s almost inverted. The expectation is often for gamers to be as exploitative as possible. There is a lot of hilarity to be had by all with a play that gets a win in ann unexpected way, and it has quite a culture around it. It can go too far to be sure, but in good measure it’s often what is best about multiplayer games.

A video game is a puzzle and it is fun to watch someone successfully manipulate a puzzle.

Live sports are with people and people don't like watching others be manipulated.

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by jhanschoo »

doublepg23 wrote: post #122
lostlogin wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> an environment where social expectations and pressure don't really exist. It’s almost inverted. The expectation is often for gamers to be as exploitative as possible. There is a lot of hilarity to be had by all with a play that gets a win in ann unexpected way, and it has quite a culture around it. It can go too far to be sure, but in good measure it’s often what is best about multiplayer games.

Put a more negative way, but perhaps more funny: "Given the opportunity gamers will optimize fun out of a game."

Not really; at the peak of competition, emergent mechanics and exploits are celebrated by some communities: e.g. wavedashing in Melee, K-style in GunZ, not to mention speedrunning.
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