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Ask HN: How can I approach our CTO who seems checked out?

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Re: Ask HN: How can I approach our CTO who seems checked out?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the thing. It seems self-serving (and I guess it is), but I am handling an increasingly huge area of responsibility and working around the clock, while he seems only half-committed at best. At some point, this does just point to me being the CTO tbh.

Wasn't the issue that the CTO was underwater and you were brought in? So, could it not be the case that he is trying to recover? > At some point, this does just point to me being the CTO tbh. Do you want to take over from him? If you silently feel you can do a better job than him and you want his job, it helps getting clarity for yourself about that. You envision how he should do his job if he was you. Maybe he is bu…

Great question. If he were fulfilling what I view as his responsibilities, I would not necessarily feel it imperative to take over for him. If he were to leave — whether voluntarily or forced out — I would gladly take over the role. I'm qualified for it and I'd be the natural choice. Not sure if that answers your question. I generally have ambitions to continue to level up and that definitely involves being in the CTO spot somewhere, but I don't feel it has to be here and now. But if they wanted me to take over, I'd very excited to do so.

I think you're right in general though that I really do need to do some soul-searching to figure what I want.

Re: Ask HN: How can I approach our CTO who seems checked out?

#22

Slow down a bit. Give yourself time to enter his world learn about his experience and meet him there without passing judgment. I like translating such interactions into kindergarden-emotion-language to distill the intention. “You checked out! Explain self!” Will raise defenses. “Hi human. I human, you human. I friend. (Stay here for a while) I notice thing. How you? You human. I friend. I help. What happen? I worry.…

I know you’re not trying to be, but this is very childish.

The top two or three answers on this post are the way to go - talk, explain the issues, sure, see if there is something that could be done to help, but ultimately just look after OP’s own and OP’s organisation’s interests. It doesn’t matter if CTO is put out or not.

Re: Ask HN: How can I approach our CTO who seems checked out?

#23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the thing. It seems self-serving (and I guess it is), but I am handling an increasingly huge area of responsibility and working around the clock, while he seems only half-committed at best. At some point, this does just point to me being the CTO tbh.

Wasn't the issue that the CTO was underwater and you were brought in? So, could it not be the case that he is trying to recover? > At some point, this does just point to me being the CTO tbh. Do you want to take over from him? If you silently feel you can do a better job than him and you want his job, it helps getting clarity for yourself about that. You envision how he should do his job if he was you. Maybe he is bu…

Oh and yes, I do think he's "trying" to recover in a sense. The thing I'm unsure about — and maybe he himself is unsure of — is whether that ship has sailed and he's either unable or unwilling or unmotivated to recover.

Re: Ask HN: How can I approach our CTO who seems checked out?

#24
If a junior employee was to write up job descriptions for all of the roles on the org chart, what would the CTO's role and responsibilities be? They hired you to run the engineering department, so the CTO could focus on other work. What is that other work? Is that work enough to keep the CTO fully engaged? Is the CTO the right person for that role? The CEO has acknowledged there is a problem. If the CEO understands why the CTO is checked out, the CEO can engage you in the solution. It's their responsibility though.

Re: Ask HN: How can I approach our CTO who seems checked out?

#25
If I was the CTO I would hire another vp with a different style and pit you against them and slowly move you out but he can't afford that so he is stuck with you for now.

Expecting the CTO to show up to standup meetings, expecting the CTO to help you do day to day tasks, and generally placing expectations on what your boss should be doing nevermind going to the CEO gently stab him in the back are things you shouldn't be doing. It is not your job to manage the CTO, why would the CEO give you that position knowing you will judge their performance at some point and go to the board the next time you feel overworked.

Tell the CEO there is too much work and you need more resources. Hire people to lighten your load. Take the new time/space to create a vision. Leverage your positive relationship with the CTO to get their support for new vision and use that to win the CEO over. Succeed with your vision and you will receive credit. When CTO moves on after you get purchased you move into that role.

Whatever you are doing now you better walk it back somehow and never share the nonsense you shared here with him/her. Think about it logically.. if the CEO fired the CTO and replaced them with you.. they lose historical knowledge plus a relationship that goes back to founding. You may or may not be able to replace them skillwise but it looks bad to investors. You would need to hire a replacement for yourself who will not be as good as you are. In the short term increased risk, less productivity and this is a startup so longterm doesn't matter because you hope to get bought out. Any CEO who would do this is foolish. Which is why you heard: "this is a concern you talk to him.." The CEO knows you are doing a great job and wants you to keep doing it but promoting you to CTO is a bad idea.. even if the CTO left chances are they go outside.

Your only strategy is to use the vacuum to do something impressive, then get people to replace your tasks and wait for an opening and you will be in a good position to land that role. Telling your boss he isn't working hard enough is not going to go well.

Re: Ask HN: How can I approach our CTO who seems checked out?

#26
Based on some of your comments, you’re kind of gunning for the CTO role and trying to manage upwards.

The best approach is to stop doing this, and quickly! Deal with the problems that are facing you and your team, and leave the leadership to deal with the CTO. “Not my monkey, not my circus” - as I understand they say in Poland.

If you need more resources, work with your leadership to get that help in-place. If you need a specific bit of assistance from the CTO, then make a clear request for it and follow it up if you don’t get it. You’ve mentioned that you feel there are areas where he could be helping, and you haven’t communicated that. At your level, you have the responsibility for seeking out the support you need from management. Focus on getting the things that you need, and avoid a fuzzy and unmeasurable metric of “my boss seems too checked-out”.

Re: Ask HN: How can I approach our CTO who seems checked out?

#27
I am in a completely opposite situation as yours. I joined as VP Engineering at a startup and my CTO refuses to pass any responsibilities. I tried to communicate him multiple times to let me take care of day-to-day management stuff which he agrees to but jumps back right in. I think part of the reason is his passion about the product and expertise but that is definitely getting in way of me doing my job.

I wish I was in your place as you are getting more autonomy and that will definitely help you get to the next level.

Re: Ask HN: How can I approach our CTO who seems checked out?

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post #25

If I was the CTO I would hire another vp with a different style and pit you against them and slowly move you out but he can't afford that so he is stuck with you for now. Expecting the CTO to show up to standup meetings, expecting the CTO to help you do day to day tasks, and generally placing expectations on what your boss should be doing nevermind going to the CEO gently stab him in the back are things you shouldn't…

So executives can play politics but everyone else should just know their place? This is a bootlicker attitude.

More power to this guy if he thinks he can make a move and make it work out.

Re: Ask HN: How can I approach our CTO who seems checked out?

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post #25

If I was the CTO I would hire another vp with a different style and pit you against them and slowly move you out but he can't afford that so he is stuck with you for now. Expecting the CTO to show up to standup meetings, expecting the CTO to help you do day to day tasks, and generally placing expectations on what your boss should be doing nevermind going to the CEO gently stab him in the back are things you shouldn't…

So executives can play politics but everyone else should just know their place? This is a bootlicker attitude. More power to this guy if he thinks he can make a move and make it work out.

What I suggested is playing politics. Being so direct and about your ploy won't get you in the club. Create leverage before you try a power move.
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