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Re: Ask HN: What mindset change made the biggest positive change for you?

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Yes, I got into Peterson a few years back when there wasn't much politics around his work then I became more and more confused about what he was actually saying and now I just avoid it as it seems to be too political. I wish he'd stuck to psychology. His deplatforming from Twitter was interesting, because about a month before he had sworn of the platform and said he was only going to post for promotional material etc…

This is probably a mistake many people do when they become famous. They cannot accept that after some time, people are moving to a different topic, abandoning them. Now they must insert themselves into the new topic in order to remain relevant. But unlike the old topic, where they had some impressive mastery, in the new topic they are about as knowledgeable as a random person on internet; they just repeat someone els…

Yes exactly this.

I have a problem with the fact that people see an 'expert' then want there opinion about everything or in the social media age, they give an opinion on everything, things way out of there expertise and often just makes you think they are dumb, but it seems a lot of people just want to follow someone, so they but these people on a pedestal and think that there views on things they know nothing about are somehow important, just because they had an interesting idea in a different field, a field they have been highly involved in for many years, rather than something they just randomly came up with on the spot.

Re: Ask HN: What mindset change made the biggest positive change for you?

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> This one is going to be controversial, but as much as I despise misogyny, the motivational videos which I watched out of curiosity of Andrew Tate are quite powerful. I've found Jordan Peterson to offer similar, minus the brainless misogyny. However when I talk about Peterson to a valued friend, there is a sense of distaste. But I can't pretend to not find what he talks about really interesting. I think he offers go…

The issue with Peterson is that anything outside of socioeconomics and psychology are drivel. He has two tendencies which make him frustrating: first, he will state a statistic and follow up with an opinion, and when challenged he will reply that it’s not his views it is simply statistics. This can be very disingenuous, as you can infer many things from the same statistic. The second, and much more egregious crime, i…

> The second, and much more egregious crime, is that he’s a climate change denier....

He does not deny climate change, he rejects climate change catastrophe fear driven measurements of questionable efficacy with known unquestionable negative side effect for many many people.

AKA things like the west moving their emissions to poor counties in order to "green" their economy. Or things like raising energy cost in an attempt to incentivizes people to use less energy. The problem here is that this affects the poor people proportionally more. It may reduce emission from the "rich" a tiny bit but it pushes million of people globally into poverty.

Ofc anyone is entitled to disagree with him. Many do in fact think the end justifies the means. Many people think it is totally acceptable that some people wont make it but "saving the planet" has the higher priority else we are all not gonna make it. Unsurprisingly Peterson as a psychologist has the focus (or bias if you want) on the individual therefore it would be morally wrong to push someone into poverty today to solve a problem of the future.

Again anyone can disagree with him on that but calling him climate change denier isn't disagreeing its just slander to avoid the complex moral problems around the topic.

Re: Ask HN: What mindset change made the biggest positive change for you?

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After years of middling at software consulting and bitching about coming up short a friend suggested I "throw my bids through the triplicator". Literally just ask for three times whatever I thought it would take. I did that, and surprisingly no one batted an eye. I later learned that if my first volley on price in any negotiation is accepted without pushback then I left money on the table. That gave me enough headroom to learn more about process and get a lot better. Shout out to Karl Weigers, Software Requirements 3rd ed is a jam.

After that I started to learn a lot more about business. Most of the people that write checks don't actually respect people that make stuff. In fact, I'd say more often than not I detect resentment. So not only do you need to charge them so much that it hurts but you've also gotta be sort of curt, bordering on rudeness and a bit aloof and make them scared they are missing out on something. (This is not advice, I'm a weird person and the fields I work in... YMMV.) The more you charge, the less work is expected of you and the more trust you get. I consider that trust a sacred gift. I underpromise and overdeliver.

It kind of turns out though that the money class not really respecting the production class means they expect you to choose between building and running. If I choose to be an engineering manager or C suite, they get freaked out if I write code too much. Also if I write code, I'm not supposed to be able to do UI/UX, branding, copy, or anything else. Before I got good at programming I worked in graphic design for web and print and I'm a pretty accomplished writer. My process for building things means these assets come out of it. I have to hide and dumb down these assets.

I love building things. Like really love it. If I can get flow state once every month for a couple hours.... I'm complete. I'm happy. I need to get my hands dirty to understand what I'm directing and communicate it effectively. So, to get more comfort in life I have to work against the fact that I like to build things and my natural impulses to share enthusiasm. The money class seems to largely think that people that want to build things are suckers to be beat up for having interest and care.

I lost something learning this. I used to be really angry about it. Now it's just kind of sad. I live better and can pursue things I like better. I build biz appropriate things for larger sums. The real shit I'm capable of though, it took me a while to realize I need to keep working on that for myself and slow drip it to people. No one cares what you CAN do, they want what they've already seen and they respect you if you charge them so much they have to talk about you as a partner or at bare minimum an investment.

Re: Ask HN: What mindset change made the biggest positive change for you?

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Realizing that all the negative things I thought about myself and my future were self-fulfilling prophecies. Such negative attitudes and negative views have been a long-standing part of my depression, and repeating them constantly and believing in them made my life palpably worse. By not focusing on the negative, not focusing on the past nor on things I can not change, but focusing on the positive and hopeful things…

"Everybody thinks I'm an asshole" -> I think I'm an asshole. (Is something that I've realized about myself)

Re: Ask HN: What mindset change made the biggest positive change for you?

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Camus thought it was the noblest of pursuits to try and create meaning in an absurd universe. Jung, thought meaning was the one thing a person couldn't abide living without. With those thoughts I think you're in pretty good company.

Thank you for the comment. The word that struck me most in your reply was "absurd". It's a very accurate description. I had always thought the word "horror" was a good label, and "cosmic horror" was a good way of describing a suffering life where you eventually die. We are like cosmic ants on our little ant hill of a planet that can be kicked over by any number of events not least self inflicted annihilation through…

I'm glad it resonated, as your comment did with me. I think your comment here about responsibility and meaning is really insightful. You might enjoy some Camus or Gogol.

Re: Ask HN: What mindset change made the biggest positive change for you?

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This one is going to be controversial, but as much as I despise misogyny, the motivational videos which I watched out of curiosity of Andrew Tate are quite powerful. You are feeling bad ? Get in shape, work more. Do the thigs you have been trying to avoid doing. Feeling depressed / suicidal ? No youtube / reels, do 1h of kickboxing or fitness everyday, sleep well. No excuses. Ever. Your mind IS stronger that you thin…

I don't know who Andrew Tate is (some sort of conservative political commentator, I take it? no thanks...), but kickboxing hugely improved my life for the better. And for what it's worth, some of the best fighters in my class were women. They don't have the size and brute force advantage of men, and had to hold their own with skill, agility, and relentless training. They were also seemingly much healthier mentally/emotionally.

Fitness is a necessary (but maybe not sufficient) component of a healthy life. It does not replace meaningful relationships or good emotional skills, but it's a great starting place for sure! Especially for techie types that don't get out much

Re: Ask HN: What mindset change made the biggest positive change for you?

#107

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> This one is going to be controversial, but as much as I despise misogyny, the motivational videos which I watched out of curiosity of Andrew Tate are quite powerful. I've found Jordan Peterson to offer similar, minus the brainless misogyny. However when I talk about Peterson to a valued friend, there is a sense of distaste. But I can't pretend to not find what he talks about really interesting. I think he offers go…

Jordan Peterson is a mixed bag; a little good, but a lot of bad. The good: Some of the rules from his "12 rules" are legitimately good advice that I wish I had embraced sooner in my life. * "Treat yourself like you are someone you are responsible for helping." (this is just good advice) * "Compare yourself to who you were yesterday, not to who someone else is today." (mixed bag on this; a shoulder chip was a great mo…

>If you need a role model for coming into adulthood, you can do much better than Jordan Peterson.

Got any suggestions...

Re: Ask HN: What mindset change made the biggest positive change for you?

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The main one, perceiving successful people and material success as not being bad/morally unacceptable. I would have said 15 years ago it's really specific to growing up in Russia or the like, but I think it's getting more and more relevant in the current zeitgeist in the USA. That material success means a person is probably some sort of a criminal, a swindler or at the very least got lucky, is the general sentiment in Russia, and to be fair in the 90ies and even more so in Soviet times it was... more justified than in most modern societies.

However, aside from being mostly false, it's a really harmful and useless mindset. I actually changed my mind via a circuitous route, by reading some self-help book (I don't even remember why I would have done that, very unlike me then) and getting way into GTD/self-help/lifehacker for a year or so. After course correction back into sanity, I was left with an implementation of GTD that works for me, a real job, and generally a much healthier perception of work and success. It did wonders both in my actual life but also made me way happier. Combined with, from my anti-social times, still not caring too much about status symbols and such. It's great.

Second and weirder, and much later, one, is (mostly) embracing absurdism/nihilism. For a long time after I realized there's no god, I couldn't fully accept humanism cause it seemed arbitrary, so the fact that life has no intrinsic meaning whatsoever really disturbed me. I wonder if this is the stage of irreligion where people who don't just ignore the question get into ideologies and spiritual woo... if you don't do that, there's almost like a semi-dark valley you have to cross when you know intellectually life is utterly meaningless, but you haven't really internalized it so you keep looking for meaning. If you get stuck there, you will probably be less happy than you would be otherwise, but if you keep going you come out on the other side much happier and without brain fog of looking for "meaning". I wouldn't claim I came ALL the way thru, but definitely a ways.

Re: Ask HN: What mindset change made the biggest positive change for you?

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This one is going to be controversial, but as much as I despise misogyny, the motivational videos which I watched out of curiosity of Andrew Tate are quite powerful. You are feeling bad ? Get in shape, work more. Do the thigs you have been trying to avoid doing. Feeling depressed / suicidal ? No youtube / reels, do 1h of kickboxing or fitness everyday, sleep well. No excuses. Ever. Your mind IS stronger that you thin…

Glad you’ve not started beating women (I imagine there are zero recommendations for that in his videos) and am glad that you got pumped to start things.

Sometimes all you need is a push or a kick in the butt to get in motion.

Please just keep in mind that many people “feel bad” for reasons beyond their control including trauma, depression and more - and need different kind of help.

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