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NYC to require salary ranges be included in job postings

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Re: NYC to require salary ranges be included in job postings

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Post by throwaway292939 »

andrewstuart wrote: post #54

I'm a recruiter. I've known for a long time it drives people nuts that job ads don't have salary, or have a wide salary range. The fact is that many employers don't actually know what they would be willing to pay someone . Until they have met them, assessed them, heard what they salary target is and weighed it up against their skills and experience and calibrated it against the team. The conversation almost always go…

> I'm a recruiter. I've known for a long time it drives people nuts that job ads don't have salary, or have a wide salary range.

Do you think it's true that you may be biased a certain way? Perhaps not in favor of job seekers?

> It is also true that a single job ad might be aiming to employ a number of people at various positions of seniority and experience.

Perhaps include separate descriptions for junior/senior roles?

> If it makes you mad that job ads do not list salary, then there are good reasons and you will just have to get over or it not apply for that job.

Why do you expect the candidate to have to change their mindset?

> Far more important is to know the salary target that you are aiming for.

Wouldn't having these ranges let a candidate become more informed about their salary target? Markets and salary ranges change over time, this would let them know what is current.

Re: NYC to require salary ranges be included in job postings

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Post by [deleted] »

tejtm wrote: post #73
andrewstuart wrote: post #54

I'm a recruiter. I've known for a long time it drives people nuts that job ads don't have salary, or have a wide salary range. The fact is that many employers don't actually know what they would be willing to pay someone . Until they have met them, assessed them, heard what they salary target is and weighed it up against their skills and experience and calibrated it against the team. The conversation almost always go…

Are you sure it is not just so current employees are left in the dark as to what they would be worth if they did not already work there?

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Re: NYC to require salary ranges be included in job postings

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Post by tptacek »

neaden wrote: post #21
tptacek wrote: post #15

For our industry, it's effectively already required, right? Because of other jurisdictions that require it?

No, even for a remote position they can simply say "Not open to people living in CO etc."

Would you apply to a company that posted a job that said "not open to Colorado residents" just so they could avoid posting a salary range? I sure as shit wouldn't.

Re: NYC to require salary ranges be included in job postings

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Post by freejazz »

andrewstuart wrote: post #54

I'm a recruiter. I've known for a long time it drives people nuts that job ads don't have salary, or have a wide salary range. The fact is that many employers don't actually know what they would be willing to pay someone . Until they have met them, assessed them, heard what they salary target is and weighed it up against their skills and experience and calibrated it against the team. The conversation almost always go…

"If it makes you mad that job ads do not list salary, then there are good reasons and you will just have to get over or it not apply for that job."

Looks like that's not going to be the case anymore.

Re: NYC to require salary ranges be included in job postings

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Post by llbeansandrice »

henryfjordan wrote: post #23
tptacek wrote: post #15

For our industry, it's effectively already required, right? Because of other jurisdictions that require it?

There were a lot of WFH job postings from the past few years that said "No applicants from Colorado" because of their similar law. CA and a few other states have recently enacted this same law though so it'll become a lot harder to avoid posting the salary if you want good candidates.

Any company with a job posting that had that line must fall into one of two categories:

1. Employ zero (0) people in the state of Colorado 2. Must have a "real" reason for restricting the geography i.e. the job is not remote.

I mostly used it as a way to get salary info up-front, even through a recruiter.

Re: NYC to require salary ranges be included in job postings

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Post by time_to_smile »

andrewstuart wrote: post #54

I'm a recruiter. I've known for a long time it drives people nuts that job ads don't have salary, or have a wide salary range. The fact is that many employers don't actually know what they would be willing to pay someone . Until they have met them, assessed them, heard what they salary target is and weighed it up against their skills and experience and calibrated it against the team. The conversation almost always go…

> Go ask your team lead/CEO/CTO how recruiting works.

I've been the team lead and talk to my team lead about this a lot and I know of no serious tech companies that don't actively think about employee retention and recruiting a huge part of which is compensation. Leadership at my company spends a serious amount of time discussing and revising our TC targets.

Any company that doesn't know what "they would be willing to pay someone" is a huge red flag for me as a candidate, and I can be quite confident that they aren't willing to even reach the salary component of my comp let alone meet or beat TC.

Re: NYC to require salary ranges be included in job postings

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Post by ramraj07 »

spamizbad wrote: post #2

I get why employers would hate this, but overall, wouldn't greater transparency in the labor market drive economic growth by virtue of making the labor market more efficient by doing a better job of connecting skilled, hard-working and motivated employees with employers who can pay more?

An example is when companies have to increase their offers due to changing market conditions; currently they can just silently do that without telling existing employees. But with the new law existing employees have a way of finding it out so they will then go ask for a raise to match this range. Of course employeees are free to discuss salaries themselves but in America that’s still not normal and common.

Re: NYC to require salary ranges be included in job postings

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Post by rednerrus »

llbeansandrice wrote: post #69
andrewstuart wrote: post #54

I'm a recruiter. I've known for a long time it drives people nuts that job ads don't have salary, or have a wide salary range. The fact is that many employers don't actually know what they would be willing to pay someone . Until they have met them, assessed them, heard what they salary target is and weighed it up against their skills and experience and calibrated it against the team. The conversation almost always go…

> don't actually know what they would be willing to pay someone. As an employee, sounds like not my fuckin problem. I'm not about to go through 3 phone screens, a take-home test, a full-day onsite, etc. just for the privilege to be low-balled or even worse denied. > I think it will be about $X Oh! So looks like it's not that hard to ball-park a number off the top of your head. I don't get this "how the world really w…

Recruiters should be talking about numbers in the first interview. Employers should have a sense of what your number is and whether or not they can get there before moving forward with interviewing. If they're not doing that, they're wasting your time and their time.

Re: NYC to require salary ranges be included in job postings

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Post by lokar »

andrewstuart wrote: post #54

I'm a recruiter. I've known for a long time it drives people nuts that job ads don't have salary, or have a wide salary range. The fact is that many employers don't actually know what they would be willing to pay someone . Until they have met them, assessed them, heard what they salary target is and weighed it up against their skills and experience and calibrated it against the team. The conversation almost always go…

FWIW, I read that as "let's see what race the applicant is"
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