US Supreme Court to weigh end to race-based college admissions

Post by hedora » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 5:55 PM UTC

tablespoon wrote: post #172

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I don't think that's the point. This court has been shredding the rule of law in this country for the last year, and is systematically replacing our democracy with fascism. Their ruling is definitely going to be more damaging to minorities than anything I can come up with. Hell, they banned abortion by eliminating the right to privacy in the US. They were even complete assholes about it. Despite being minority (and a…

> This court has been shredding the rule of law in this country for the last year, and is systematically replacing our democracy with fascism. If you think that, it's probably a sign you need to come up for air. What you write is simply not true unless you're examining things with a partisan funhouse mirror that shows myside as righteous and true and the otherside as cartoon villians. Admittedly, those mirrors are ge…

Post by eli » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 5:58 PM UTC

kube-system wrote: post #194

eli wrote: post #176

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"Taking an admissions slot from an Asian student" is a very opinionated way to describe the situation and strictly speaking it isn't true.

I’m not an expert on these admission practices, so I can’t say whether the claim is true, but that is what is being claimed, no?

Post by cuteboy19 » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 6:00 PM UTC

jmull wrote: post #174

dongobongo wrote: post #4

I have a feeling that in hindsight, 30-40 years from now, this will seem like no brainer and that the period prior was heavily anti-meritocratic and counterproductive.

> anti-meritocratic How do you measure merit, though? People just leave this critical detail to our intuitions for some reason. I think we want something good and fair... What's the measure of "merit" that's good and fair? People who are good at the SATs usually want SAT scores to matter. People who get good grades in high-school want high-school grades to matter. Not unreasonable... but that's still just people defi…

Post by cuteboy19 » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 6:04 PM UTC

petilon wrote: post #47

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #25

About time. The whole idea behind it is stupid and racist... "if you're a certain skin color, you're too stupid, to compete on merit"... then when people complain, they add the "socioeconomic" factors: "if you're a certain color, you're too poor to compete on merit, but instead of looking at your family income, we'll look at your skin color". I have no idea how something like this gets support in developed western co…

> "if you're a certain skin color, you're too stupid, to compete on merit" Hold on. You realize Harvard's policies have historically been designed to favor Whites, right? The whole "holistic review" process was invented to favor Whites. See https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2019/03/histor...

Post by legitster » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 6:07 PM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #219

legitster wrote: post #214

My favorite part of the article: > A 2021 Gallup poll found that 62% of Americans were in favour of affirmative action programmes. A separate poll released by the Pew Research Center earlier this year, however, found that 74% of Americans - including a majority of black or Latino respondents - believed that race should not be factored into college admissions processes. I think my takeaway is that even if you give a h…

Affirmative action isn’t just for college admissions, and outside of college admissions, affirmative action programs generally do not involve decision preferences, but are limited largely to training programs, outreach efforts, and other funnel-shaping efforts. So, the poll results are perfectly consistent with people understanding the question and either supporting AAP in general but not in college admissioms, or su…