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Wiring my home with fiber

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Post by js2 »

sponaugle wrote: post #31
spockz wrote: post #21

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What kind of house needs 18 AP? Was this in an existing house or an house being constructed?

It was a new house. The 18 AP locations serve a couple of different long run purposes and reasons: The first is to have direct nearly-line of sight locations for the majority of the house which is primarily to support higher frequency(60GHz) and beyond which have poor wall penetration. The second is to provide good wifi coverage due to signal attenuation from the construction techniques. I did many of the walls in do…

> I did many of the walls in double 5/8s drywall, some in green wall, all insulated, and all solid hard doors

I gather you did this for noise isolation? And by green wall do you mean green glue between the drywall layers? I'm only familiar with this for home theater construction, not an entire home.

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Post by Domenic_S »

ridgered4 wrote: post #277
y04nn wrote: post #188

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It just take practice, my first try was not perfect but acceptable, the second time was much better and the third on a larger wall with lots of defects looks good, but I probably spent too much time on it, although I am confident that I can now do it much faster.

That is my experience as well, second or third time I'm vastly improved (not as good or as fast as a pro still, but upgraded to 'acceptable') since I've learned from the largest mistakes. Too bad I have to live with those mistakes though since I did them to my house!

To me it's like painting. Yes, I can paint my walls. But hiring it out is substantially faster and you get people who do nothing but paint all day every day to knock it out.

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Post by mrb »

sschueller wrote: post #263
mrb wrote: post #255

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I have no experience either. But terminating seems easy, for example this guy is terminating singlemode fiber in just a few minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKDYw0jPskc&t=2m35s He uses DINTEK Singlemode ezi-FIBER Connectors which have a low loss of 0.1-0.2 dB: https://www.dintek.com.tw/index.php/singlemode-ezi-fiber-con... Such a low loss seems to be a non-issue for short fiber runs in a single residence, and…

My loss per splice was around 0.01 dB to 0.02 dB according to the splicer.

Your 10G SFP modules have a power budget of 6.2 dB https://www.fs.com/products/11603.html Assuming zero losses at the fusion-spliced pigtail connectors this would be enough for a ~12.4 km fiber link (~0.5 dB attenuation per km). With the connectors I linked, 0.2 dB loss at each end, the power budget is reduced to 5.8 dB which would be enough for a ~11.6 km fiber link.

As you see this makes no difference for a residence where all your links are much shorter than even 0.1 km ! All I'm saying is you had cheaper options than buying a fusion splicer. But I understand you for buying it — it's a cool tool to have fun with, and to get some experience. I would have probably done the same since fiber is also a hobby of mine (though I reiterate I have never built a cable myself) :)

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Post by NegativeLatency »

briHass wrote: post #232
NegativeLatency wrote: post #104

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I have a couple of large plywood sheets in closets for this purpose. Paint it the same color and nobody knows

One of the big benefits to drywall, that often gets missed in the typical libel it gets, is its fire resistance. It's basically a water-containing gypsum powder. Some areas where plywood would be preferrable for durability, like a garage, are often prohibited from using something other than sheetrock due to the fire risk. Probably not a big deal unless you have entire walls of it.

Oh yeah that's a good point. Mine is limited to a couple of areas where there are or will be plumbing and network cables.

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Post by Maursault »

25Gb Internet? Bandwidth in the US sucks! But I have to admit I have trouble saturating 35Mb, and I'd happily pay half as much for 10Mb or 5Mb if it were available. Also, tablets would be pretty annoying without wifi.

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Post by jnsaff2 »

avidiax wrote: post #9
uri4 wrote: post #3

I wonder what is use case for this network. At my home I only use optics for long run, more for galvanic isolation, as electric charge could destroy electronics. All servers are concentrated in single room. Clients use miniPCs. Rest of the house is wired with 2.5Gb ethernet and wifi6, anything faster and expenses grow exponentially.

It's very likely "because he can". 25Gbps would be hard to saturate with an NVME SSD. Even if you like to mirror hard disks to remote locations all the time, you can just RSYNC, and then your needs are limited to the rate of change. I'm getting a 10Gbps from the same provider, and even that is not likely to saturate, and I'll only have 1Gbps CAT6 links. The main benefit is that the clients are absolutely independent,…

Well that multiple client fairness gets solved by using something like CAKE. There are youtube demos doing exactly this even with links limited to like a few meg.

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Post by spazbob »

yrgulation wrote: post #74

This is likely not useful in most west european homes (even gigabit connections are unheard of in the uk, 10 megs being advertised as “superfast”, let alone tens of gigs). But still a fun project!

This is not an accurate statement. I'm paying GBP25/mo for 1Gbit symmetrical in London suburbs. Same provider offers up to 3Gbit symmetrical for non-business. And I'm not in some fancy new build- the fibre is run from the existing street telegraph pole to the front of the house.

Yes it's not necessarily nationwide but "unheard of" is way off, before you even consider Virgin cover a sizeable chunk of the country and their DOCSIS upgrade means they can push gigabit now.

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Post by kortilla »

midoridensha wrote: post #261
kortilla wrote: post #179

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> Also, awkward to talk about how you pay someone a barely living wage as an excuse to not do it yourself. Guess how much they make if you don’t pay them? It’s better for everyone if someone who can make more money per hour uses that higher earning power to offload lower income tasks to people in those jobs.

Exactly. This is why it's immoral to cook your own food for dinner, for instance, instead of going to a restaurant or hiring a personal chef.

Basic logic fail. I didn’t say it was immoral to do it yourself. I said it was good to support the worker (from both the worker and the payers’ perspectives), not bad.

The view I replied to implied it would be gross to pay someone to make your meal because it’s cheap.

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Post by LaLaLand122 »

aix1 wrote: post #126
matthewmacleod wrote: post #116

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About 70% of UK homes have access to a gigabit connection through either fibre or the Virgin Media HFC network. FTTP coverage is about 40% nationwide. It’s not that rare.

Respectfully, I find the 70% figure for access to a gigabit line extremely hard to believe. When I lived in central London (tube zone 2), all that was available at my address was a wet-noodle quality 20 Mbps DSL connection. No BT FTTP, no Virgin, no Hyperoptic, no G.Network. This was in early 2022. I now live in Switzerland and have a 25 Gbps FTTP connection, paying about 30% more than I paid in London for the DSL li…

FWIW last time I checked, central London did indeed have slow connectivity, but it didn't extrapolate to the rest of the UK. No idea why the center of the capital was equivalent to a remote small town in this regard.
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