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Re: Hey Google, thanks for making my daughter cry.

#31

This is why you should take control of your own data, and not let your data in the hands of a company. Buy your own email address, set up your own blog self hosted.

Unfortunately, that's easier said than done for people who can't afford hosting fees or who don't understand how everything works and would not know where to start working on something like that. People go to the free services because they're free of charge and often far easier to set up than rolling your own.

Re: Hey Google, thanks for making my daughter cry.

#32
So - when was the last time everyone reading this backed up their gmail?

Take the next 5 minutes to install thunderbird (you'll be impressed if you have not seen it in years) and enter the IMAP settings for google and download everything in the background while you work.

When your account gets hacked and you lose everything, you'll appreciate the backup.

Re: Hey Google, thanks for making my daughter cry.

#33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Log onto our website, but only with your parents' permission!" died quickly a decade ago for a reason. There's virtually no way of validating that. Which is why I'm still surprised that movie and video game sites still use the faded "Enter your age to continue" screen.

How is adding a decade or two to your age when registering any less difficult to validate?

I think you misread my comment. I am surprised that practice still exists.

Re: Hey Google, thanks for making my daughter cry.

#34

What about the Google commercial, where parents open a childs google account upon birth, fill it with images and commentary... Only to have it all deleted when Google get around to it?

Pretty well covered here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3010687 TL;DR: The account in the commercial is the parent's, not the kid's.

Hard to believe the ad wasn't titled "Dear Sophie's Account Held by Myself, Her Father, Not to be Handed Over to Sophie until such time as she meets Google's User Age Threshold for Regulatory Compliance."

"Dear Sophie" does have a much nicer ring to it, I guess.

Re: Hey Google, thanks for making my daughter cry.

#35
post #32

So - when was the last time everyone reading this backed up their gmail? Take the next 5 minutes to install thunderbird (you'll be impressed if you have not seen it in years) and enter the IMAP settings for google and download everything in the background while you work. When your account gets hacked and you lose everything, you'll appreciate the backup.

or install something like https://github.com/imapsync/imapsync

and be able to backup your imap mailboxes without a GUI

Re: Hey Google, thanks for making my daughter cry.

#36

they've chosen to act apparently without ever considering how their actions might affect the people who use and rely on their services. Hyperbolic nonsense. Their consideration for multicultural, international, legal, technical, practical, and end user issues under time and effort constraints doesn't come out exactly the way you wanted it to under one edge case that you happen to hit therefore they "haven't ever cons…

> outside the normal patterns of a huge system

Can you expand a bit on how a sentient human being, wishing to communicate with other sentient human beings, is outside the normal patterns of a communications system?

Re: Hey Google, thanks for making my daughter cry.

#37

Whatever happend to "If you are under 18 (or 13?), ask your parents or gaurdian for permission"? Believe that's the current Dutch regulations, not an expert though. It's quite unfair to assume that companies will keep track of this. Kids under 13 should probably have parental/monitored internet usage anyway. (Though I have to admit to having had a Fb account back when it was 18+ when I was 17. School wasn't on Fb and…

It's a US company so they have to obey COPPA, which requires verifiable consent from a parent before collecting any private information from the child and restricts marketing to that child. So, in practical terms, for Google to offer mail accounts to children under 13, they need to be able to collect faxed or mailed proof of consent from parents, have some system to process that information and tie it to the accounts, then they need special rules for the ads shown on the gmail site to that user.

Re: Hey Google, thanks for making my daughter cry.

#38

It is really sad that Google can't figure out a way for those under 13 to have accounts, provided there is a parent signing off on it. And the first comment by someone about how their child can't log onto their Chromebook anymore is particularly disturbing.

Advertising to kids is a low to non-profit activity.

Re: Hey Google, thanks for making my daughter cry.

#39

To be honest, I think a large part of the blame goes to COPPA. I remember listening on those hearings, and those opposed to COPPA warned against this exact thing happening. They said that taking the decision away from parents would lead to disaster, and guess what, it has . Rather than blaming Google here, shouldn't we be writing our legislators to repeal COPPA? We should be telling them that this misguided law is st…

COPPA is fucking stupid legislation, but Google should at least provide a "parental consent" mechanism.

A parent can't 'over-rule' a federal law.

"Hey Mr Food-N-Liquor owner, I give you consent for you to sell my 18 year old alcohol" etc

Re: Hey Google, thanks for making my daughter cry.

#40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty well covered here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3010687 TL;DR: The account in the commercial is the parent's, not the kid's.

Hard to believe the ad wasn't titled "Dear Sophie's Account Held by Myself, Her Father, Not to be Handed Over to Sophie until such time as she meets Google's User Age Threshold for Regulatory Compliance." "Dear Sophie" does have a much nicer ring to it, I guess.

"Dear Sophie" pretty clearly implies it isn't Sophie's account to me. When you write an letter (especially one that hasn't been sent yet as the commercial implies), you are the owner of the letter, right? To cite the Bible, it is Paul's letters to the Corinthians, not the Corinthians' letters from Paul.
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