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Re: I’m taking some time away from Comma

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Post by terafo »

Dave3of5 wrote: post #62

So you can buy this thing off the internet install it yourself and let it drive your car around for you. How legal would that be if it crashed my car or ran someone over? My mind is blown here. Obviously it only works with specific cars that can turn the wheel for you so my 2015 ford focus is impossible but I mean wtf.

They are sold as devkits any you need to install software on them on your own. And, IIRC, their software is meant to be used as drive-assist and doesn't work if user does not look at the road.

Re: I’m taking some time away from Comma

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Post by thepasswordis »

nynx wrote: post #27

It strikes me as surprising that George Hotz is religious. Very few people I’ve met with similar personalities are.

I've seen this change dramatically in the last few years. The people I knew 10 years ago who were the sortof frighteningly brilliant hackers have almost all become religious (mostly traditional Catholics).

I'm not saying this is an objective truth, just that this has been my experience.

Re: I’m taking some time away from Comma

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Post by giancarlostoro »

Fatnino wrote: post #59
agentultra wrote: post #33

I used to like watching his streams but he seems to have become somewhat unhinged in recent years. Perhaps he is believing too much about what people have said about him. The arrogance and aggrandizement was the turn-off for me. Well that and his belief, while at comma, that how fast you can code is the most important metric when assessing software engineers. Competition programming is fun to watch but a poor indicat…

"recent years"? This guy has always been like this, going all the way back to ios hacking days or even wii hacking days.

I used to talk to him on one of those IRC networks for iOS hacking, forgot the name, but a good old friend of mine was involved in the scene, so I dropped in. He is definitely a skilled individual, but he lacks the key thing I think all true senior engineers need: humility. Without humility you're going to find yourself bikeshedding and wasting time and effort on things that may actually not be attainable within your lifetime with your current resources.

I personally don't see AI getting anywhere any time soon. Just look at some of the really funny images some of the best AI available generates[0]. Subtle things like this show you that AI is really a UX around a piece of software that attempts to understand what you're asking for with less input than having enough buttons to generate EXACTLY what you're asking for (I'm thinking of photoshop in the case of text -> image).

Some things in AI do impress me, but the fact its not far more pervasive in our every day (there are people who use voice assistants sure, but its not EVERY household doing it) lives tells me we still have a long way to go.

[0]: https://www.reddit.com/r/technicallythetruth/comments/y26t6x...

Re: I’m taking some time away from Comma

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Post by [deleted] »

Rezwoodly wrote: post #66
agentultra wrote: post #33

I used to like watching his streams but he seems to have become somewhat unhinged in recent years. Perhaps he is believing too much about what people have said about him. The arrogance and aggrandizement was the turn-off for me. Well that and his belief, while at comma, that how fast you can code is the most important metric when assessing software engineers. Competition programming is fun to watch but a poor indicat…

Oh yeah. I've met more than a couple of engineers who spent their teens and twenties coding like that was the meaning to life, all suffer from deep regret, burnout, resentment, depression. They are better than average technically, but their social skills fail them. Which in a paid employment situation carries a lot of weight. I feel sorry for these guys

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Re: I’m taking some time away from Comma

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Post by dekhn »

thepasswordis wrote: post #79
tensor wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I stopped reading when he brought the Bible into things. I have no time to waste on that sort of thing.

You have no time to waste on western civilization's foundational text? edit: to the people who want to argue this: show me a body of work which has been more influential on western society. What people seem to identify as 'western' values are largely just judeo christian values. The influence of the bible is so ingrained into our society that you will live out the values within it even if you don't realize it. And th…

You mean the Odyssey?

Re: I’m taking some time away from Comma

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Post by taeric »

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #49

George’s insights on self-driving cars remind me of when you get the rare exceptional engineer in your company who knows 100% what he or she is talking about down to the exact implementation level and all of the alternatives, and leadership totally ignores them because they foolhardily believe this kid can’t possibly be right—without asking engineering questions to test to see if they’re right about the engineer bein…

I'm curious what his insights were? Are those collected somewhere?

Asking as someone that has largely not been following the field. Not challenging, genuinely curious.

Re: I’m taking some time away from Comma

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Post by thundergolfer »

tensor wrote: post #43
monktastic1 wrote: post #12

Can't say I care much about what "George Hotz" is doing, but this line struck me as particularly silly: > And even if you are an atheist, you probably still accept the bible is the closest thing we have to a human origin story. I can't imagine why he believes so. Apart from the modern materialist origin story, what about all the mythical ones from other cultures? Of all of them, this is my favorite: https://www.youtu…

I stopped reading when he brought the Bible into things. I have no time to waste on that sort of thing.

You missed that he ends with a quote from Bronze Age Mindset. Wild.

Check out the background on this book if you're not familiar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Age_Pervert.

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Post by andrewmcwatters »

ra7 wrote: post #80
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #49

George’s insights on self-driving cars remind me of when you get the rare exceptional engineer in your company who knows 100% what he or she is talking about down to the exact implementation level and all of the alternatives, and leadership totally ignores them because they foolhardily believe this kid can’t possibly be right—without asking engineering questions to test to see if they’re right about the engineer bein…

His insights on self driving cars are total fluff once you realize he was only working on problems several orders of magnitude smaller in scope than the ones spending billions are attempting to solve. Autonomous driving is more than just making lane-keep on highways work with a camera mounted to the windshield and requires more than just "hacking". His insights do indicate one thing: that he doesn't understand the ri…

I mean you can say that all you want, but the proof of the self-driving pudding is in the driving, and SAE Level 2 is the most practical self-driving we are ever going to get.

I don't think there's anything wrong with trying to refine that approach as much as openpilot did, and honestly if there was fruit in SAE Level 3 and above, I feel like we would have seen it by now, but we haven't.

I have no idea what you mean by "problems several orders of magnitude." Driving is driving. Your hardware and software can do it, or it can't. What do billions of dollars have to do with anything?

Should people remind you Meta spent billions of dollars on a less popular Second Life?

How would you explain to shareholders that your solution can't compete with openpilot?

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