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I’m taking some time away from Comma

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Re: I’m taking some time away from Comma

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Post by terafo »

shubhamjain wrote: post #55

> It’s well within comma’s reach to become a 100M+ revenue consumer electronics company (without raising again!), but I don’t think I’m capable of running a company like that. I’ve always heard it takes different people at different company sizes. Why not talk about the current numbers before making such a claim? Who's using Comma.ai? How many people are paying for it? $100M+ is a big deal for a consumer electronics…

$5.57M last year, probably more this year considering how hard it was to get chips last year.

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Post by dekhn »

aliqot wrote: post #61
dekhn wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I knew a few security people at Google and frankly, geohot isn't even in their class. He's a smart guy. Did some stuff. isn't particularly special or significantly better than a typical engineer in my experience. Mainly he seems to jump deep into things he doesn't know much about (I'm talking about post-security) and say a bunch of irresponsible things then fail to deliver a complete product, entirely predictably. He…

> I knew a few security people at Google and frankly, geohot isn't even in their class. This is an exceptional claim, who might these people be and what initiatives do they lead?

The first one I'm thinking of is Michal Zalewski who wrote AFL and is now the VP of Security Engineering at Snap. Also Lea Kissner who implemented security for stubby and now runs Info Security for Twitter (one of the few remaining engineering departments Musk wants to keep) But there were a bunch of folks, most of whom you've never heard of, because they were quietly solving problems behind the scenes. Damien Menscher comes to mind- he was core to Google's DoS blocking which had a massive impact on users for the last decade.

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Post by bsima »

monktastic1 wrote: post #12

Can't say I care much about what "George Hotz" is doing, but this line struck me as particularly silly: > And even if you are an atheist, you probably still accept the bible is the closest thing we have to a human origin story. I can't imagine why he believes so. Apart from the modern materialist origin story, what about all the mythical ones from other cultures? Of all of them, this is my favorite: https://www.youtu…

An origin story is a mythology, and all of those other cultural stories fit under a common schema, hence the reference to Campbell’s “Hero’s Journey”

Re: I’m taking some time away from Comma

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Post by harryvederci »

rblatz wrote: post #51
mach1ne wrote: post #22

I hope his shine hasn't burned out yet. People seem to do great things in their 20s, and then at best ride the wave they set in motion. Actually creating a wonder from zero after you've clocked 30 is very rare.

This isn't a true stereotype. The average unicorn founder is aged 34. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-21/what-s-th...

This is correct, I'm under 34 and I haven't founded my unicorn yet.

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Post by thepasswordis »

1980phipsi wrote: post #18
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That kind of attitude is great for editor or compiler or game development. It is absolutely the wrong attitude for self-driving cars or anything that is safety critical.

To be fair, he was recently in the news saying self-driving cars are a scam. https://cleantechnica.com/2022/10/09/george-hotz-autonomous-...

>autonomous cars are no closer to reality today than they were 5 years ago

Why do people keep printing things like this, which are objectively wrong? I have had a completely autonomous waymo come to my location, pick me up, and take me to another location.

That didn't exist five years ago, it does exist now. How is this not "closer" than it was 5 years ago when it literally exists now, and didn't exist then?

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Post by naikrovek »

rattlesnakedave wrote: post #16
awestroke wrote: post #3

Hotz has always come across as very arrogant to me. Claims everyone else is doing things the wrong way, claims he can do it himself in 24h, then never delivers on his words.

I agree he does come off as arrogant at times. There are plenty of times when he's right, though. Those times are pretty fun to read about: https://twitter.com/jinglejamop/status/1310718738417811459

I want every last thing on this website related to cryptocurrency to be annotated as such.

everything about it is just a supreme waste of time and energy. including my own.

everyone is a genius at something and the easiest way to negate any positives that you could possibly provide is to be an arrogant prick, and geohot is exactly that.

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Post by baligena »

what a loser.

Just recently, I saw a stream of him denying remote work, life and work balance and refusal to state if compensation was competitive in comma.ai. He cannot grow this company because he will never attract the best people with his stupid and old mentality. Now he leaves the company. This guy is a foolish drugie.

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Post by aliqot »

dekhn wrote: post #72
aliqot wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I knew a few security people at Google and frankly, geohot isn't even in their class. This is an exceptional claim, who might these people be and what initiatives do they lead?

The first one I'm thinking of is Michal Zalewski who wrote AFL and is now the VP of Security Engineering at Snap. Also Lea Kissner who implemented security for stubby and now runs Info Security for Twitter (one of the few remaining engineering departments Musk wants to keep) But there were a bunch of folks, most of whom you've never heard of, because they were quietly solving problems behind the scenes. Damien Mensch…

> there were a bunch of folks, most of whom you've never heard of, because they were quietly solving problems

I figured you'd say this. Just had to see you type the words out. Don't be angry when those you seek to refute don't see you worth arguing with when this is the type of rhetoric you have.

Re: I’m taking some time away from Comma

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Post by thepasswordis »

tensor wrote: post #43
monktastic1 wrote: post #12

Can't say I care much about what "George Hotz" is doing, but this line struck me as particularly silly: > And even if you are an atheist, you probably still accept the bible is the closest thing we have to a human origin story. I can't imagine why he believes so. Apart from the modern materialist origin story, what about all the mythical ones from other cultures? Of all of them, this is my favorite: https://www.youtu…

I stopped reading when he brought the Bible into things. I have no time to waste on that sort of thing.

You have no time to waste on western civilization's foundational text?

edit: to the people who want to argue this: show me a body of work which has been more influential on western society. What people seem to identify as 'western' values are largely just judeo christian values. The influence of the bible is so ingrained into our society that you will live out the values within it even if you don't realize it.

And that kindof makes sense, doesn't it? Some guys wrote down some stories which at the time were being passed orally, these stories became really popular, and the society which was telling these stories and using them to pass their moral philosophy became prosperous.

The Catholic Church was a (not so)pseudo government in Europe for almost 2000 years, and was the leader and authority in philosophy and art. The idea that somehow none of this is foundational to western civilization is absurd and completely ahistoric.

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Post by ra7 »

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #49

George’s insights on self-driving cars remind me of when you get the rare exceptional engineer in your company who knows 100% what he or she is talking about down to the exact implementation level and all of the alternatives, and leadership totally ignores them because they foolhardily believe this kid can’t possibly be right—without asking engineering questions to test to see if they’re right about the engineer bein…

His insights on self driving cars are total fluff once you realize he was only working on problems several orders of magnitude smaller in scope than the ones spending billions are attempting to solve. Autonomous driving is more than just making lane-keep on highways work with a camera mounted to the windshield and requires more than just "hacking".

His insights do indicate one thing: that he doesn't understand the rigor required to engineer safety-critical systems.

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