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I’m taking some time away from Comma

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Re: I’m taking some time away from Comma

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post #22

I hope his shine hasn't burned out yet. People seem to do great things in their 20s, and then at best ride the wave they set in motion. Actually creating a wonder from zero after you've clocked 30 is very rare.

This isn't a true stereotype. The average unicorn founder is aged 34.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-21/what-s-th...

Re: I’m taking some time away from Comma

#52
post #22

I hope his shine hasn't burned out yet. People seem to do great things in their 20s, and then at best ride the wave they set in motion. Actually creating a wonder from zero after you've clocked 30 is very rare.

> The data on the innovators reveal three initial characteristics. First, there is large variation in age: 42 percent of innovations came about when their creators were in their 30s, while 40 percent occurred when the inventors were in their 40s, and 14 percent appeared when the inventors were over 50. Second, there were no great achievements produced by innovators before the age of 19, and only 7 percent were produced by innovators at or before the age of 26 (Einstein's age when he performed his prize winning work). Third, the age distributions for the Nobel Prize winners and the technologists are nearly identical.

From https://www.nber.org/digest/dec05/great-inventions-come-late... which is non-technical summary of https://www.nber.org/papers/w11359

At least considering Nobel prizes (very impactful "inventions") and "outstanding technological innovations", it seems best age is between age 30-50.

Re: I’m taking some time away from Comma

#53
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Geohots actual track record isn’t that impressive though, he’s just one exploit dev with an OK portfolio. >edit: apparently this is a hot take to some, but no real substantive refuting of what's being said- only appeals to greater authority. "Well so and so was smarter" Do you happen to have substantive evidence to back up the original claim?

It's always fun to see anonymous users saying someone else isn't "that impressive though". He managed to breach the security of three different platforms (iOS, Android and PlayStation) across multiple devices, which feels a lot like more than most security researchers manage to do in their lifetime, while geohot is about 35 by now. Or, you have some good examples that the average security researcher have a better tra…

I knew a few security people at Google and frankly, geohot isn't even in their class. He's a smart guy. Did some stuff. isn't particularly special or significantly better than a typical engineer in my experience. Mainly he seems to jump deep into things he doesn't know much about (I'm talking about post-security) and say a bunch of irresponsible things then fail to deliver a complete product, entirely predictably.

He's the sort of person you want to ensconce in a safe place far from others, with the freedom to experiment, to come up with disruptive ideas to influence others.

Re: I’m taking some time away from Comma

#54

Hotz has always come across as very arrogant to me. Claims everyone else is doing things the wrong way, claims he can do it himself in 24h, then never delivers on his words.

Hotz's story is our story. He is the embodiment of the top comment of every HN thread in existence. "Of course the author doesn't know a damn about what their writing about. They're wrong. And no I won't deliver a better solution," is Hotz in a nutshell. To be critical of him is to be critical of us. It's great if we can do that, but I'm not sure we can. There's a certain essence of digital rhetoric that runs through…

Well put, except occasionally he actually did put his time where his mouth is when he was interested enough in the problem.

Re: I’m taking some time away from Comma

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> It’s well within comma’s reach to become a 100M+ revenue consumer electronics company (without raising again!), but I don’t think I’m capable of running a company like that. I’ve always heard it takes different people at different company sizes.

Why not talk about the current numbers before making such a claim? Who's using Comma.ai? How many people are paying for it? $100M+ is a big deal for a consumer electronics company. George Hotz is no doubt a smart person, but very few "gifted" engineers are equally successful being business people as well. Most of them end deluding themselves severly in some way, which might be evident in the latter part of the blog post.

Re: I’m taking some time away from Comma

#56

Can't say I care much about what "George Hotz" is doing, but this line struck me as particularly silly: > And even if you are an atheist, you probably still accept the bible is the closest thing we have to a human origin story. I can't imagine why he believes so. Apart from the modern materialist origin story, what about all the mythical ones from other cultures? Of all of them, this is my favorite: https://www.youtu…

“we are bytes in God’s computer” from his Lex Fridman interview.

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Re: I’m taking some time away from Comma

#57
Kinda surprising that he's stepping away from Comma.ai after they just opened their new office in San Diego.

Anyhow, there's a Hotz stream out in the world where he completes a few of those hacking challenge exercises. George is an amazing engineer and I use that stream as a metric for where I want to be in my knowledge and technical ability.

Re: I’m taking some time away from Comma

#58
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's always fun to see anonymous users saying someone else isn't "that impressive though". He managed to breach the security of three different platforms (iOS, Android and PlayStation) across multiple devices, which feels a lot like more than most security researchers manage to do in their lifetime, while geohot is about 35 by now. Or, you have some good examples that the average security researcher have a better tra…

I knew a few security people at Google and frankly, geohot isn't even in their class. He's a smart guy. Did some stuff. isn't particularly special or significantly better than a typical engineer in my experience. Mainly he seems to jump deep into things he doesn't know much about (I'm talking about post-security) and say a bunch of irresponsible things then fail to deliver a complete product, entirely predictably. He…

> I knew a few security people at Google and frankly, geohot isn't even in their class

Who, exactly, are you talking about here? And what are their track record?

Re: I’m taking some time away from Comma

#59

I used to like watching his streams but he seems to have become somewhat unhinged in recent years. Perhaps he is believing too much about what people have said about him. The arrogance and aggrandizement was the turn-off for me. Well that and his belief, while at comma, that how fast you can code is the most important metric when assessing software engineers. Competition programming is fun to watch but a poor indicat…

"recent years"?

This guy has always been like this, going all the way back to ios hacking days or even wii hacking days.

Re: I’m taking some time away from Comma

#60
post #48

Hotz is an amazing MacGyver of Code, but unfortunately (for his own expectations) seems to be limited to only that.

He organized and inpired a team and delivered a product, the product is still in development and their fate is still to be seen.

Nothing wrong with accepting you're a very early stage CTO type of person and to accept the situation isn't the right one for you.

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