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Ask HN: Alcoholism and Career in Software

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I have been drinking for around 8-10 years. It started with one or two large beers in the evening and around 2016 progressed to a 6 pack (12 oz/375ml) every evening, sometimes more. Since the pandemic started, I lost all control (it wasn't helped by the fact that just before the pandemic struck I moved to a country where I don't speak the language and have no friends)

I recently started thinking of the damage to my brain. I work as a software engineer and I had some performance problems. My junior colleagues outperform me, and I think I might not be as sharp as I used to. I'm almost 40yo and I wonder if I permanently lost my skills due to alcoholism.

I managed to cut down my drinking in the past 3 months. According to my doctor my physical health is fine (including the liver), but I somehow feel sick and constantly tired.

Has any of you had a similar experience or witness this happening to your colleagues or friends? I'm worried mostly about the brain and thinking if I should just look for an easier job.

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#2
Whatever you do about the boozie, have medical supervision and ALWAYS be honest with your Doctor. Lie to your boss, partner, friends, and coworkers if you must but NEVER EVER lie to your doctor.

Individuals vary considerably and there's no telling what's permanent and isn't for you but I think you'll be surprised how much difference moderation and good sleep will help. Also remember that angst/stress about mental fog(pr anything) adds to it.

When you compare yourself to others, consider your cohort. If your coworkers are all amazing then there's no issue with being at the tail end of the curve because someone always will be.

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I think if your doctor is satisfied as regards physical and you've stopped drinking as a coping mechanism you don't need to worry about the damage from drinking. However your systems as described to my layman's ear suggest maybe you investigate the possibility of therapy. It sounds to me like maybe you are dealing with some level of depression and that is making you feel sick and tired as well as perhaps being the motivator for your escalation in drinking.

I am not a professional though so I'm not qualified to diagnose or suggest treatment. Your best bet is to get some professional help so you can get to the bottom of it and start addressing the root problems.

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#5

Whatever you do about the boozie, have medical supervision and ALWAYS be honest with your Doctor. Lie to your boss, partner, friends, and coworkers if you must but NEVER EVER lie to your doctor. Individuals vary considerably and there's no telling what's permanent and isn't for you but I think you'll be surprised how much difference moderation and good sleep will help. Also remember that angst/stress about mental fog…

I disagree. If your data is going into a database to live forever, you should be careful what you say.

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Whatever you do about the boozie, have medical supervision and ALWAYS be honest with your Doctor. Lie to your boss, partner, friends, and coworkers if you must but NEVER EVER lie to your doctor. Individuals vary considerably and there's no telling what's permanent and isn't for you but I think you'll be surprised how much difference moderation and good sleep will help. Also remember that angst/stress about mental fog…

If you are truthful with your psychiatrist about recreational drug use, they may be required or decide to withhold an amphetamine prescription that ironically reduces your recreational drug use.

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#8
Recovering alcoholic (2 years sober) here:

You don't need an easier job, you need to quit. An easier job will entice you to drink more and before you know it that easy job becomes hard. It's a vicious circle.

Many more people than those who admit it have a problem, but once you KNOW you have a problem there is only one solution: Quit.

Not for a week or a month, but for a year. If you can't do a year, you know you're _severely_ addicted. And severe addiction if it goes untreated will ALWAYS end in disaster or death.

Once you've done a year you will see how much of your happiness and resilience has returned and you don't want to go back. You might go back and fuck up again and then realize you have to quit for good, but that's a battle for another day.

Find help or check into a clinic if you can afford it. Groups helped me tremendously. See if you can find an English speaking one. It's not so much about people helping you with your problem. It's about sharing your experiences with people who won't judge you. You don't know what you're missing if you've never had it. Give it a chance.

Go and buy books. Some people swear by Allan Carr's Easy Way to Stop Drinking. I found his books to only help with smoking, but some prominent figures like his book on drinking too.

Get educated on the subject.

Most likely (99%) your brain hasn't experienced lasting damage YET. The damage you experience (trouble focusing and remembering) will heal over the next 1 - 7 years completely if you stop. Science has a pretty good idea of this apparently. (The drug has been around a long time)

So there are two messages here: Be glad you've identified the problem now. It's not too late to regain everything you want. BUT: If you change nothing you will succumb to the sauce and lose everything like millions and millions before you.

It's a dangerous, dangerous position to be in. Treat it accordingly and make solving that problem the Number 1 issue in your life.

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#9
Could it be some sort of mental withdrawal?

Some suggestions to help with the tiredness (and I'm grounding this in my athletic background, not a doctor):

1/ Increase the amount of water you are consuming. Try to put down 80 oz a day. Keeping a full water bottle with you on your person will help a lot.

2/ Keep a strict bedtime and sleep 7+ hours nightly. Feeling tired? Get sleep. Building a good set of sleep habits will help your body regulate itself overall better. Also just in general people don't sleep enough and this is a great easy spot to start looking.

These are two tips I know have helped a TON for me. Keeping discipline for sleeping and "over" hydrating have resulted in a lot of my brain fog disappearing or at least my perceived productivity and focus has improved. I also spent more time in the gym but I feel that is a personal decision and the above tips were independently very very useful at keeping me sharper.

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Don't want to discuss this on my main.

I drank far more than this for almost 15 years. Quit over two years ago and life has never been better. I did decent career-wise prior to quitting, and a bit better afterward. I feel like it didn't affect me too much WRT cognition besides just feeling like shit in general. I was also worried about the neurotoxicity but the brain is pretty elastic in this regard I believe. I'm older than you FWIW.

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