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Re: Wiring my home with fiber

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Post by xxs » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 7:53 AM UTC

jjeaff wrote: post #146

adrian_b wrote: post #87

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The interior doors in most houses that I have seen have wooden frames in which it is very easy to make holes for passing cables. Some newer houses might have door frames made of plastic or metal, instead of wood, but even in such cases it is much easier to make a clean hole through the door frame, instead of through a wall. I have made many such holes in door frames for passing Ethernet cables or TV coaxial cables. W…

Why would you prefer to make a hole in your doorframe rather than the wall? Sheetrock is so much easier to deal with. But perhaps you are referring to a concrete construction, which is uncommon in the US.

>referring to a concrete construction

While common outside the US, most of it in newer constructions tends to be light concrete which is trivial to drill. But even 40MPa concrete is fine with an SDS, rent one if you don't wish to spend money on. In short drilling through outer walls is not difficult either.

Re: Wiring my home with fiber

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Post by xxs » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 7:54 AM UTC

chasd00 wrote: post #237

pooper wrote: post #42

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> I always end up green with envy that people seem to have pre-existing conduits in their walls for running new cables. There's no way, in my old house, of doing this without some invasive smashing in to walls. I don't own a house and have never owned a house. This will probably sound stupid and I am sorry if this is something obvious. Is it that my spouse will leave me or my parents will disown me if I run a conduit…

Don’t mean to be sexist but in my personal experience wives would consider cable conduit across a nicely painted wall in a nicely decorated room a hard no.

>a nicely decorated room a hard no

easy, skip the decoration

Re: Wiring my home with fiber

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Post by GOATS- » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 9:05 AM UTC

yrgulation wrote: post #246

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Peering outside of Romania might be questionable. I visited a few months ago and got 500Mbps within the country and just 50Mbps to my server in The Netherlands.

Its your server in the nl that has questionable peering, or reduced upload speeds; or you didnt run your tests properly.

I tried running speed tests to other datacenters in NL and had similar issues across the board. It was probably just an isolated incident that weekend, but that was my experience regardless. When I did speed tests domestically, I had 500Mbps both up and down.

Re: Wiring my home with fiber

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Post by avidiax » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 9:29 AM UTC

DeathArrow wrote: post #265

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https://mikrotik.com/product/ccr2004_1g_12s_2xs You pay the SFP module tax on every port for that model, and also have a loud fan. You also probably can't put a copper SFP module in every cage without overheating. https://mikrotik.com/product/rb5009upr_s_in That will let you receive 10Gbps fiber, and maybe route 3Gbps or so. No fans. No SFP module tax. And PoE on every port. Mikrotik is definitely missing a product t…

I need 10Gbps in, two 10Gbps out and another 1Gbit out if it doesn't have WiFi.

Mikrotik has plenty of switches with those specs, but they won't be able to route at line speed. If you can arrange your network to be primarily switched rather than routed (i.e. all the high speed hosts have their own static IP addresses, and the rest are behind a slower router), then you can do that.

Otherwise, you can get a powerful router with 2 SFP+ ports and link an SFP+ switch for the rest.

Re: Wiring my home with fiber

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Post by dale_glass » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 12:44 PM UTC

y04nn wrote: post #213

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Any reason you can't use pre-terminated fiber?

I have to pass the fiber cable through conduits that are not very large and they are not straight. So I will need to use a pull line. Using pre-terminated fiber will either bock or destroy the connector.

Duplex LC connectors can be split apart and later reassembled. With a bit of fiddling and taping things you can get a cable through a hole that's too small for an assembled duplex.

https://www.flukenetworks.com/sites/default/files/blog/101_s...

http://www.fiber-optic-cable-sale.com/wp-content/uploads/201...

Re: Wiring my home with fiber

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Post by max51 » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 1:59 PM UTC

moogly wrote: post #144

I did this as a small-scale experiment/proof-of-concept earlier this year in my 2 br apartment, preparing for wiring for 10G (and possibly beyond as the years pass) when I move into my house later this. I went with singlemode fiber. Don't really see the point of multimode. At all. After doing some research I am not sure who it is made for. Sure, the BiDi SFP+ modules are a bit more expensive but not overly so. The fi…

>I went with singlemode fiber. Don't really see the point of multimode. At all. After doing some research I am not sure who it is made for.

They are cheaper and and you don't need the extra range of single mode if you are only wiring your house/apartment.

Re: Wiring my home with fiber

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Post by ridgered4 » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 2:31 PM UTC

y04nn wrote: post #188

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I agree it isn't rocket science, but plastering if one of those things best left to professionals, much more so than plumbing or electrical for instance. They usually make near minimum wage, are just so much faster and produce a better result. I've started plastering a few of my walls and after wasting a couple days doing a few square meters ended up hiring a couple guys to do the rest of the house. There is just no…

It just take practice, my first try was not perfect but acceptable, the second time was much better and the third on a larger wall with lots of defects looks good, but I probably spent too much time on it, although I am confident that I can now do it much faster.

That is my experience as well, second or third time I'm vastly improved (not as good or as fast as a pro still, but upgraded to 'acceptable') since I've learned from the largest mistakes. Too bad I have to live with those mistakes though since I did them to my house!

Re: Wiring my home with fiber

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Post by y04nn » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 2:39 PM UTC

dale_glass wrote: post #275

y04nn wrote: post #213

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I have to pass the fiber cable through conduits that are not very large and they are not straight. So I will need to use a pull line. Using pre-terminated fiber will either bock or destroy the connector.

Duplex LC connectors can be split apart and later reassembled. With a bit of fiddling and taping things you can get a cable through a hole that's too small for an assembled duplex. https://www.flukenetworks.com/sites/default/files/blog/101_s... http://www.fiber-optic-cable-sale.com/wp-content/uploads/201...

I'm going to give a try to "fast connectors" that don't need splicing, I ordered a cleaver and a stripper, that's much more affordable than a splicer. Those connector don't seem to be very popular, there is probably a reason. I already have a 1Gbps fiber media converter. I also opted for 4 fibers cable, I will try a temporary 10Gbps P2P link along the 1Gbps. Fast connectors may not be ideal with a multi-fiber cable, but I will try to make it work. The total cost seem fair.

Re: Wiring my home with fiber

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Post by uncanneyvalley » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 2:53 PM UTC

bombcar wrote: post #92

uncanneyvalley wrote: post #52

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A flexible drill bit[1] can be used to pass a horizontal member within a wall. You can enter the wall through an outlet hole or use the length of the bit to drill straight up through bottom of the wall, if you’re able to access it from a basement. They usually have a hole in the tip to pull twine along with the head of the bit. [1] similar to https://www.kleintools.com/catalog/flex-bit-accessories/flex...

If you have high baseboards/ceiling trim, you can have drywall that ends way above the sill plates which makes it incredibly easy to route cable with the baseboards off. Similar to: https://www.finehomebuilding.com/project-guides/wiring/runni... There are some considerations if it's a firewall or an insulated wall, but it can be really nice.

Great point. With the baseboards off, you can even look inside the wall (e.g. with a phone camera) for clear stud bays and power cables, potentially finding easier runs.

Re: Wiring my home with fiber

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Post by latchkey » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 3:07 PM UTC

midoridensha wrote: post #261

kortilla wrote: post #179

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> Also, awkward to talk about how you pay someone a barely living wage as an excuse to not do it yourself. Guess how much they make if you don’t pay them? It’s better for everyone if someone who can make more money per hour uses that higher earning power to offload lower income tasks to people in those jobs.

Exactly. This is why it's immoral to cook your own food for dinner, for instance, instead of going to a restaurant or hiring a personal chef.

Nice sarcasm. My thought as well. Where do you draw the line?