> The adoption of a new policy would take at least months
Of course. One must form a committee to thoroughly research the matter and collect feedback from all involved parties. /s
RIPE meetings: IP addresses as spoils of war
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Re: RIPE meetings: IP addresses as spoils of war
#12It is pretty surprising that RIPEs solution to sanctions is to just offer their services for free to those who can’t pay due to sanctions.
The United Nations also allows 2 years non-payment before a member looses voting rights, currently 4 countries https://www.un.org/en/ga/about/art19.shtml One of the countries, Venezuela, can't pay due to sanctions https://www.france24.com/en/20200622-venezuela-blames-us-san...
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#13There are many discussion threads at the RIPE Network Coordination Centre (NCC) Services Working Group (ncc-services-wg) mailing list with a lot of direct and ancillary information [0].
There is also a detailed factual exposition of the technical changes forced by Russia since 2014 in Crimea and later Kherson "Rerouting of Kherson follows familiar gameplan" [1].
In [3] below Viktoriia Opanasiuk writes:
"responding on «As this only affects LIRs, I doubt there will be significant participation by non-LIRs» I must say that it affects all internet service providers that use IP resources. In Ukraine there are more than 5 000 registered ISPs, but not all of them are LIRs.
The situation that we have now is that when russian troops withdraw from our territory, they dismantle and take with them not only washing machines, but also telecom equipment, TV- and radio-transmitters, leaving people who live there without any information channels and means of communication. We have to re-build telecom and internet infrastructure, and yes, we could bring new equipment there, but if the IP addresses of local Internet Providers will be transferred to other parties, we will not be able to restore even our critical infrastructure there, and there is no place to get new IPv4 addresses.
Therefore any solutions that involve allowing transfers now and somehow reverting them later are not solving this immediate problem that we have."
The threads with most focus seem to be:
"Protecting Resource Holders in Distressed Areas" [2]
"IP adress transferring in Ukraine" [3]
"UA IP transfer" [4]
"UA IP transfers situation" [5]
[0] https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2022...
[1] https://www.kentik.com/blog/rerouting-of-kherson-follows-fam...
[1] https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2022...
[2] https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2022...
[3] https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2022...
[4] https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2022...
Re: RIPE meetings: IP addresses as spoils of war
#14I didn't activelly join the latest RIPE meeting a few days ago, for sure this was not raised in any voting which is a bit strange since the time between the meeting and when this situation started was more than enough for at least a basic voting. But isn't this the same topic as with all other centralized (in a way services), wouldn't the same discussion apply for DNS too ?
At the risk of sounding flippant, por que no los dos?
Any valuable domains are at the same risk, but that's outside of the scope of RIPE or IANA.
Fight this. Also fight that.
Re: RIPE meetings: IP addresses as spoils of war
#15There are many discussion threads at the RIPE Network Coordination Centre (NCC) Services Working Group (ncc-services-wg) mailing list with a lot of direct and ancillary information [0]. There is also a detailed factual exposition of the technical changes forced by Russia since 2014 in Crimea and later Kherson "Rerouting of Kherson follows familiar gameplan" [1]. In [3] below Viktoriia Opanasiuk writes: "responding on…
In the interest of balance this ncc-services-wg message by Max Tulyev appears to provide some background and seems to imply a possible power-play by Ukraine parliament/government people and for which no evidence of actual 'rogue' transfers are provided [0].
Although as people may have guns at their heads it would be difficult to know if a block transfer were under duress or not. It would seem possible to analyse transfers since 2014 affecting Crimea and the Donbas regions, and transfers since February 2022 affecting occupied territory.
[0] https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2022...
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#16It is pretty surprising that RIPEs solution to sanctions is to just offer their services for free to those who can’t pay due to sanctions.
The United Nations also allows 2 years non-payment before a member looses voting rights, currently 4 countries https://www.un.org/en/ga/about/art19.shtml One of the countries, Venezuela, can't pay due to sanctions https://www.france24.com/en/20200622-venezuela-blames-us-san...
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Re: RIPE meetings: IP addresses as spoils of war
#17Suppose you are a small Ukrainian ISP working in Berdyansk or Melitopol.
In 2022 you essentially become an ISP working on Russian-held territory. Does RIPE want to just confiscate your address pool and redistribute it back in Ukraine in some form, leaving you without address space?
How does that help the people living on that territory?
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#18Starting to wonder how much the global takeoff of the Internet and specifically the WWW was due to the "end of history" period from 1989-2001, when there wasn't significant conflict between major powers. I suspect the spillover from this will be increasing Balkanisation of the Internet simply in order to limit the extent to which it's a cyberwarfare or propaganda battlefield.
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#19What are some non-obvious or second order effects of this?
Re: RIPE meetings: IP addresses as spoils of war
#20Suppose you are a small Ukrainian ISP working in Berdyansk or Melitopol. In 2022 you essentially become an ISP working on Russian-held territory. Does RIPE want to just confiscate your address pool and redistribute it back in Ukraine in some form, leaving you without address space? How does that help the people living on that territory?
People in these territories face a life of pain any way you look at it, frankly. IP addresses are probably pretty low among their current concerns...
They're currently living in a war-torn country under Putin's iron fist. If at some point the Ukrainian army reconquer these areas, there will probably be a witch hunt if not plain ethnic cleansing. If they stay Russian, they'll live forever under the power of Putin's militias and oligarchy. Unfortunately I see no possible positive outcome for them. That's horrifying.