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The Essential Philip K. Dick

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Re: The Essential Philip K. Dick

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For anyone that liked “Blade Runner”, it’s fascinating to go back and read PKD’s “Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep”, which Blade Runner was based on. You can see the threads of similarity but it’s a way more surreal paranoid bad-acid-trip vibe. Can’t remember another adaptation with such a striking difference from the original.

Blade Runner is way better than DADOES , which is a minor Dick work. He's written much better books.

Exactly the other way around for me. I never liked Blade Runner, especially the last 20 minutes or so. I enjoyed the book. I like Blade Runner 2049 though.

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PKD is one of my favorite sci-fi writers and I recommend Ubik if you're a new reader, although like the article mentions, you definitely need to be in a certain mindset to "get it." The Man in the High Castle has an interesting concept but I don't think it's particularly well-written. One thing that I think goes unnoticed about PKD is how some of his earlier short stories are undeniably, unquestionably bad. Fair Game…

Did you give the TV adaption of The Man in the High Castle a try? It’s on Prime, I found it quite enjoyable.

The first season was good, then it quickly degenerates into nazi porn and finally into a bad version of Rick&Morty

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There's a bit in Ubik that stays in my mind. Joe Chip gets into an argument with his apartment door that refuses to open for him because he owes it money. I kinda got that the door was an autonomous money-making agent that held him hostage - a conversation reminiscent of that between Doolittle and the Bomb in Dark Star. It made me see the ridiculous side and ultimate absurdity of micropayments leading to world where…

They call that "web3" nowadays, but you're supposed to enjoy it because you can buy shares in the specific door that won't open for you and they might triple in value while you're locked in.

Re: The Essential Philip K. Dick

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Stephenson is a bit more polished than PKD but your point still stands.

I had high expectations from a bunch of friends recommending Snowcrash , but when I read it I found it to be so awful I couldn't even finish it. It was just so childish and stupid. I don't get why people like it.

Of his books that I read, it is definitely the one that comes across as the most childish and stupid (with a few good ideas). His other books aren't like that.

I had trouble getting through them as well, but for other reasons. For Cryptonomicon it was his "let me prove how smart I am" diversions off the main story for dozens of pages at a time, and for Anathem it was an interesting idea told in a boring yet difficult-to-parse way, at least as far as I got.

The quality of the prose in those other two books seemed better, at least.

Big fan of PKD books, btw, although I think his writing style and characters are pretty plain and not that compelling on their own (but they are quick to read as a result, I could knock one out in about 4-6 hours, usually). The ideas, dialogue, and often the endings make them all worth reading, though.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had high expectations from a bunch of friends recommending Snowcrash , but when I read it I found it to be so awful I couldn't even finish it. It was just so childish and stupid. I don't get why people like it.

Snow Crash is either an accidental or deliberate parody of cyberpunk. The main character is Hiro Protagonist. When he goes into a VR world and is "fighting" with a sword he's swinging a sword around wildly in the real world too, while around other people. And then in Diamond Age Stephenson [rot13]xvyyf gur zbfg plorechax punenpgre va gur svefg be frpbaq puncgre[/rot13]. When I read Snow Crash the first time it was ba…

> And then it had the typical Stephenson ending, which is to say

that made me laugh out loud

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had high expectations from a bunch of friends recommending Snowcrash , but when I read it I found it to be so awful I couldn't even finish it. It was just so childish and stupid. I don't get why people like it.

Snow Crash is either an accidental or deliberate parody of cyberpunk. The main character is Hiro Protagonist. When he goes into a VR world and is "fighting" with a sword he's swinging a sword around wildly in the real world too, while around other people. And then in Diamond Age Stephenson [rot13]xvyyf gur zbfg plorechax punenpgre va gur svefg be frpbaq puncgre[/rot13]. When I read Snow Crash the first time it was ba…

Thank you for commenting on Stephenson’s plot resolutions. I love his writing and his stories, but the end of his books are just so unfulfilling. Especially Anathem!

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PKD is one of my favorite sci-fi writers and I recommend Ubik if you're a new reader, although like the article mentions, you definitely need to be in a certain mindset to "get it." The Man in the High Castle has an interesting concept but I don't think it's particularly well-written. One thing that I think goes unnoticed about PKD is how some of his earlier short stories are undeniably, unquestionably bad. Fair Game…

He also had a problem with women (to be fair, he was a professional writer - and apparently his wife wouldn't let him use the house).

I don't think I've read a single well-meaning intelligent woman in a PKD story.

I remember being surprised at the start of one of his books, that the female character introduced at the beginning was clearly competent - turned out she was evil.

Re: The Essential Philip K. Dick

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So for everyone here who has declared that Phil Dick wasn't a very polished writer - who is your example of a polished writer that you are comparing him to his detriment with?

I wouldn't call it unpolished at all. I would characterise PKD's prose as workmanlike. It's very effective, just not what anyone would ever call lyrical or stylish. Stephen King once described his own writing as "the literary equivalent of a Big Mac and fries", and there's some of that in PKD, at least on the surface level.

I do think PKD improved as a writer in the 1970s, once he kicked his drug habit and slowed down his hyperactive output; from this era, Flow My Tears the Policeman Said, A Scanner Darkly, and the VALIS trilogy all has some beautiful writing and show Dick as a deeper and more mature writer.

As for the rest of the sci-fi genre, there's a lot of talent among his contemporaries. I would especially suggest:

* John Crowley. Widely recognized as actual an Author of real Literature, though only his earliest works could be called science fiction. Start with The Deep and Engine Summer.

* Harlan Ellison. Some of his stories ("I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream", "Jeffty Is Five", etc.) are simply masterfully written.

* Samuel Delaney. He's an acquired taste and certainly gets a bit self-indulgent, but novels like Babel 17 are often beautifully written.

* Ursula LeGuin, e.g. The Left Hand of Darkness.

* Gene Wolfe. Increasingly also recognized as a genius, I also particularly like his short stories. Start with The Fifth Head of Cerberus; graduate with the monumental The Book of the New Sun, which has no equal in or out of the genre.

* J. G. Ballard. A consummate stylist, he eventually drifted away from SF, but his earlic works are fantastic. My favourite is The Crystal World, as well as his numerious short stories, including one of my favourite stories ever [1]).

Of later writers, William Gibson, China Mieville and Iain M. Banks come to mind.

[1] "Report on an Unidentified Space Station": http://geosci.uchicago.edu/~kite/doc/roauss.htm

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had high expectations from a bunch of friends recommending Snowcrash , but when I read it I found it to be so awful I couldn't even finish it. It was just so childish and stupid. I don't get why people like it.

Snow Crash is either an accidental or deliberate parody of cyberpunk. The main character is Hiro Protagonist. When he goes into a VR world and is "fighting" with a sword he's swinging a sword around wildly in the real world too, while around other people. And then in Diamond Age Stephenson [rot13]xvyyf gur zbfg plorechax punenpgre va gur svefg be frpbaq puncgre[/rot13]. When I read Snow Crash the first time it was ba…

Yeah, I got that it was a parody. It just wasn't funny.
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