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Re: I Know What You Downloaded on BitTorrent…

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Post by burgerbrain »

jrockway wrote: post #70
there wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

because it makes it so difficult to provide exit nodes in the US for people that actually need them. DMCA complaints will quickly take down an exit node because of tor users sending bittorrent traffic out of it.

Just like DMCA complaints have shut down other internet service providers, like Comcast? Ultimately, in the US, ISPs are not responsible for their users' activity. "Common carrier" and all that. When you open an exit node, you become an ISP.

This is true, however it does put additional pressure on (volunteer) exit node operators nevertheless.

Re: I Know What You Downloaded on BitTorrent…

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Post by there »

jrockway wrote: post #70
there wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

because it makes it so difficult to provide exit nodes in the US for people that actually need them. DMCA complaints will quickly take down an exit node because of tor users sending bittorrent traffic out of it.

Just like DMCA complaints have shut down other internet service providers, like Comcast? Ultimately, in the US, ISPs are not responsible for their users' activity. "Common carrier" and all that. When you open an exit node, you become an ISP.

i'm aware of DMCA's safe-harbor provision and i've fought with colo providers over it. when you're not an ISP the size of comcast (or any decent-sized "real" ISP), you're always going to be subject to another company's AUP.

i've had an exit node shut down by a colo provider simply because they didn't want to deal with the overhead of processing the DMCA requests. they knew what tor was and they knew i wasn't the one downloading content, but they just didn't want to deal with it, so it was either turn the exit node into a relay or have my server shut off.

https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/GoodBadISP...

Re: I Know What You Downloaded on BitTorrent…

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Post by Tuna-Fish »

jpdoctor wrote: post #26

And so the next step in the cat-and-mouse game is predictable: A whole bunch of forged requests. Bonus points if the forged IPs are from RIAA sites, DHS, White House, FBI etc.

Done already. Most of the major trackers add random ips to the lists they publish.

Re: I Know What You Downloaded on BitTorrent…

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Post by fleitz »

ajross wrote: post #16
acangiano wrote: post #14

Interesting removal terms. They pretty much force you to admit that you downloaded, whatever they say you downloaded in order to have your data removed. Immediately after having confirmed your real identity via Facebook, of course. They could sell this information to MPAA and RIAA for gold. The Details: By submitting a request to have your download activity removed from our database, you are acknowledging that the ac…

Indeed. That's pretty shady. In my mind it transforms this site from "amusing exercise in internet privacy resarch" to "borderline extortion". It's also not a contract or affidavit, though. There's legally nothing to prevent you from lying to them AFAICT.

A better idea is to just cycle the MAC address on your router and get new IPs

Re: I Know What You Downloaded on BitTorrent…

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Post by Tuna-Fish »

dexen wrote: post #7
ajays wrote: post #2

This service is BS. I just went there and it gave me a random torrent, "Jennifer Lopez Papi" (or something like that). I wouldn't get anything of JLo's, even if they gave it to me free.

Somebody did from the IP address you seem to be using. Either you are behind a masquerading NAT, or perhaps your ISP rotates IP addresses and somebody else was using your address the other day, or just maybe your WiFi router isn't as secure as you hoped, or... The service neatly highlights the caveats of matching people to IP addresses.

Widely used public trackers inject random ips as peers to provide plausible deniability against this sort of tracking.

Re: I Know What You Downloaded on BitTorrent…

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Post by ajross »

fleitz wrote: post #85
ajross wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. That's pretty shady. In my mind it transforms this site from "amusing exercise in internet privacy resarch" to "borderline extortion". It's also not a contract or affidavit, though. There's legally nothing to prevent you from lying to them AFAICT.

A better idea is to just cycle the MAC address on your router and get new IPs

That just spreads out the data. It does nothing to erase the association of the IP that pulled the torrent with your account, which can still be subpoenaed by a copyright holder. There are much better privacy solutions.

Re: I Know What You Downloaded on BitTorrent…

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Post by SonicSoul »

SonicSoul wrote: post #30
jrockway wrote: post #6

I don't use BitTorrent very often (because I have incoming connections for that torrent in my router's state table for years after I do so), but there were a few things I wanted to download today so I just spun up an EC2 instance, installed Transmission, and did it from there. A 38GiB Blu-Ray image took about two hours. The next time I want to do this, I'll have a completely new IP address. Is this a terrible idea?

any ideas why, transmission on a mac is crawling with the same torrent that's lightning fast on vuze via windows? i've tried a few torrents using trasmission, and they would either crawl or not DL at all.. Vuze seems to be more and more intrusive (in fact some malware detectors continually report malicious activity coming from vuze), but somehow they figured out how to make torrents fly.. it's not uncommon for me to…

wow.. looks like people feel really strongly about transmission :)

Re: I Know What You Downloaded on BitTorrent…

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Post by icebraining »

jrockway wrote: post #74
acangiano wrote: post #14

Interesting removal terms. They pretty much force you to admit that you downloaded, whatever they say you downloaded in order to have your data removed. Immediately after having confirmed your real identity via Facebook, of course. They could sell this information to MPAA and RIAA for gold. The Details: By submitting a request to have your download activity removed from our database, you are acknowledging that the ac…

Sounds like it's time to send them a DMCA notice.

How so? You don't own any copyright over that information. In fact, being completely factual in nature, copyright doesn't apply.
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