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Physicians’ attitudes about caring for people with disabilities

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Re: Physicians’ attitudes about caring for people with disabilities

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How does a disabled person purchase a ramp or handrail for the building they are trying to enter?

They hire someone to carry them? They fund an insurance pool that allows them to dial a handy caretaker within distance when they need it? Maybe it's enough to fund stair-capable wheel chair robots. Who knows. Maybe they just call ahead, check, and then ask a friend or family member to go with them.

Lol, thanks. I haven't laughed this hard in a long time. What an absolutely terrible solution.

Re: Physicians’ attitudes about caring for people with disabilities

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That’s not what the doc gets paid. That’s the pretend amount that the insurer and doc have agreed upon, before their agreed upon discount. Source: doctor.

My EOBs have always stated what the healthcare provider is owed per the insurance price. It shows what was billed (the fantasy number), then the insurance price (or the discount), and patient responsibility (dependent upon an individual’s deductible/copay/oop max). Is that not true?

That's right, only there is no normal physician visit that bills $1300. The absolute highest reimbursement you're gonna get for an outpatient visit - a level 5 evaluation and management first-time patient visit plus double-coding an 'prolonged visit for high complexity care' (some handful of insurers allow triple-coding a G2212) - (a 99205 + G2212 x 2) is 244.99 + something like $30 (I don't recall the G2212 reimbursement off the top of my head, but it's in that ballpark), for a total of about $275. +/- some adjustment for geography.

That's not what patients pay - that's the total allowable reimbursement to the doc via medicare.

I use medicare numbers here because almost all private insurers negotiate as %medicare. If I'm a hot specialty people are willing to pick an insurance plan over (say, cardiology) and there's a shortage of my folks in the area, I might negotiate up to something like 110-120% of medicare. Most of the time I'll be happy to get 105% medicare, and some folks will end up getting something like 95% of medicare.

To hit $1300 there'd have to be:

-A procedure, likely an inpatient or facility service, such as a small outpatient surgery, or an infusion. - Your doc has an in-house blood work lab and your insurer doesn't cover it, and the bill is actually a lab work bill

That latter bit is a gray area - it's actually barred under the Stark Law, as clinical lab work is considered a Designated Health Service that's barred from self-referral, if it's a third-party lab that they own or co-own. If it's their own actual in-clinic lab, though, I'm unsure of how that works out (I don't run my own lab, so I just know of this second-hand).

If you have a private-information-redacted copy of a 'normal' bill for $1300, I'd be happy to eyeball it - either to let you know something is off and worth appealing, or to learn something new for my self.

Re: Physicians’ attitudes about caring for people with disabilities

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My EOBs have always stated what the healthcare provider is owed per the insurance price. It shows what was billed (the fantasy number), then the insurance price (or the discount), and patient responsibility (dependent upon an individual’s deductible/copay/oop max). Is that not true?

That's right, only there is no normal physician visit that bills $1300. The absolute highest reimbursement you're gonna get for an outpatient visit - a level 5 evaluation and management first-time patient visit plus double-coding an 'prolonged visit for high complexity care' (some handful of insurers allow triple-coding a G2212) - (a 99205 + G2212 x 2) is 244.99 + something like $30 (I don't recall the G2212 reimburs…

I did not intend to claim that the doctor got paid $1,300 for a consultation (that person wrote they received lab work too).

I was clarifying what arkades claimed, which I interpreted as the EOB does not state the true remuneration for the healthcare provider.

Re: Physicians’ attitudes about caring for people with disabilities

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not what the doc gets paid. That’s the pretend amount that the insurer and doc have agreed upon, before their agreed upon discount. Source: doctor.

My EOBs have always stated what the healthcare provider is owed per the insurance price. It shows what was billed (the fantasy number), then the insurance price (or the discount), and patient responsibility (dependent upon an individual’s deductible/copay/oop max). Is that not true?

You’re more literate than most patients. You’re right, it should list all of the above. I think your post reads (and per other poster, I’m not alone) that you had a $1300 normal outpatient visit, so I read that as you misreading your bill.

Re: Physicians’ attitudes about caring for people with disabilities

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One low-hanging fruit to help the medical system is to replace/supplement GPs. GPs just route to a specialist, with some treatment short-circuits along the way. Sometimes you are forced through this pipeline for insurance reasons. There's a shortage of these doctors, at least in the US.

Create what WebMd should be: an actual working expert system. Take some modern medical textbooks and create a basic expert system. You can use ML for any imaging/sound/whatever needs, and you can schedule lab tests yourself. It might never be as good as a great GP, but how often do you have access to a great GP?

Re: Physicians’ attitudes about caring for people with disabilities

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Spot on. It becomes more clear when you ask who pays medical professionals salaries? Insurance companies do. Insurance companies are medical professionals’ bosses. The customer receiving treatment has no influence on the standard of care.

Most customers could not afford the treatment at the standard of care they want anyway, hence the reason they purchase via insurance.

People (in the US) purchase insurance mostly because the insurance premium is 90%+ paid by either their employer or the government. Everyone understands that the total price is a scam, but the <=10% that you pay out of pocket has an excellent ROI.

Re: Physicians’ attitudes about caring for people with disabilities

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I really wish I could just (safely) order whatever medications, tests, and treatments I want online. Let me consult a doctor if I need one, but also: don't gatekeep treatment from me because the doctor is having a bad day, doesn't like me, etc. I have a severe , debilitating anxiety disorder. It's extremely frustrating, and sometimes I will have to leave classes I'm teaching, social functions, etc. for no apparent re…

You can just keep the pills. If you're really that strong about avoiding addiction why do you feel the need to throw them away?

For medication like this, the doctor will usually prescribe a specific number of pills at a specific dosage. The number will rarely exceed what you ask for, and asking for large numbers of pills is treated (not unreasonably) as a sign of drug seeking.

Re: Physicians’ attitudes about caring for people with disabilities

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post #86

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Most customers could not afford the treatment at the standard of care they want anyway, hence the reason they purchase via insurance.

People (in the US) purchase insurance mostly because the insurance premium is 90%+ paid by either their employer or the government. Everyone understands that the total price is a scam, but the <=10% that you pay out of pocket has an excellent ROI.

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Re: Physicians’ attitudes about caring for people with disabilities

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> Reasonable accommodation isn’t significantly onerous in the vast majority of cases. You are correct that a reasonable accommodation isn't particularly hard in many cases. The disconnect in communication here is that you're thinking in terms of a reasonable person. Unreasonable people exist. There are unfortunately some disabled people that would refuse to be satisfied by almost anything you provide them. The ADA la…

One unreasonable person can ruin a lot of things. You’re never getting around that. I wish ADA wasn’t handled by lawsuits, but everything is the US is a fucking lawsuit… The problem I have is many businesses don’t even try in the first place. They don’t know anything about ADA and point to the one unreasonable person as justification to do nothing. There are far more businesses being “unreasonable” than there are peo…

> The problem I have is many businesses don’t even try in the first place.

Is this perception accurate? I have my own life experience and thankfully do not have any disabilities that I know of, but it definitely doesn't seem this way to me.

For example, if a disabled person went into a restaurant and asked for a bigger seating area to accommodate their wheelchair or crutches or whatever, is there a restaurant out there that wouldn't try to rearrange the tables or move stuff around where possible? I'm using this example because I worked in different restaurants in the past and all of them were happy to carry tables up and down stairs to make space and even force other seated customers to move to ensure that anybody who wanted extra space was accommodated.

Not sure what else you want to see from stores.

Re: Physicians’ attitudes about caring for people with disabilities

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N=1, but I can confirm the experience of being disabled and getting medical care is mutually frustrating. Taylorism and one-size-fits-all fails hard. Appointment times are standardized, despite patients not being standard. I know I'm going to take extra time. I have multiple chronic conditions, getting treatment is a mess. But I can't arbitrarily ask for more time during booking; it's all automated now. Worse, I need…

* I'm making them go over time* Saying this as a non-disabled person, please don’t think of it/word it this way. It’s not you, it’s the disability, and you’re not responsible for it. If you take some time because of it I would gladly accommodate you as a service provider and show understanding as the next patient in line.

Me too, get yours, I'll gladly accomidate.
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