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Classic 50mm “Normal” Lens

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Re: Classic 50mm “Normal” Lens

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I have a highly regarded, but old 50/1.4. I also have a cheaper 50-300/3.5-4. Big surprise - the 50-300 zoom looks MUCH better than the 50/1.4 at 50 mm. I'm talking about the colors, they are just better and more natural (less aberrations probably). Of course, if you have enough light since it's slower. I investigated this, and it turns out modern lenses have much better coatings and other optimizations. Conclusion:…

As someone who got into photography relatively recently, if you’ve only used modern lenses, old (or extremely cheap) lenses can be really interesting to use as well. My 1970s Olympus 50mm f.14 or low budget Chinese f1.2 give me interesting colors and lens flares that I’ve never seen with modern lens designs.

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Site says 2022, but I could have written this in 2007. With the addition of -- get the flash off the camera, and set the power manually. Off the camera makes the flash light define the shape of what you're shooting, and setting the power manually means no preflash -- so no blinks.

Personally, I went from the 50 to a 40/2.8 which had a much faster focus speed and better build quality -- and I basically never shot wide open anyway because the focus plane would be so narrow as to be unusable. And the 100/2, which was just an awesome lens, good color, shape, everything.

But in the intervening 15 years, DSLRs are now dead, mirrorless is hanging on, and basically, it's computational photography from phones. Best camera is the one you have and so that's where it's done. It doesn't hurt that Apple has more R/D budget for their phone than the entire legacy camera industry.

But given the prices of the 5d on ebay now, I might must pick up the camera I lusted for then and couldn't afford, so that it can spend time gathering dust on the shelf like the other DSLRs.

Re: Classic 50mm “Normal” Lens

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These are still useful on a micro four-thirds body, just not in the way you might expect. With a speed booster, you reverse most of the magnification and throw a huge amount of light on those small sensors. A Nikon 50mm AF-D on a .71x speed booster and an m43 body is a disturbingly fast setup at ~70mm equivalent field of view.

All that said, the state-of-the-art fast primes for the m43 systems have left the classic 50/1.4 in the dust. The performance of the Olympus 25mm f/1.2 is utterly amazing. The only quibble with the lens is it's huge.

Re: Classic 50mm “Normal” Lens

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It's not the only take on the subject, and I actually think it's quite mistaken.

50mm is great for street portraits or fashion shots. This is where you 1) can't come too close to not spook the subject, 2) want tighter framing, 3) want to put your subject on a little bit of a pedestal so to speak, or 4) want to make a huge print out of your shot.

However, for candid "photos of your own loved ones" as in the article, I think you'll find it a pain. In these circumstances I can't recommend enough a wide lens instead. Try both and make your conclusions.

- On the surface a wide lens makes things look "farther away", but in fact what it does is emphasize the actual distances in the scene-- meaning with close-up shots it gives a strong sense of presence, which is presumably what you want. 50mm might be good for fashion portraits, but for shots like in TFA it's IMO way too long and puts unnecessary emotional distance between you and the subject (this was my first feeling when I looked at author's photos).

- The article sidesteps the fact that F-number is not the only factor in motion blur. 1/8 second with a 21mm lens is not great but it'd look loads better than 1/8 with a 50mm lens that would be very unforgiving as far as any shake.

- Framing and focusing is much less finicky. For casual snaps most of the time you don't even need to look at the screen: with close-ups it's self evident where the camera is facing, and if something is happening right now a little distance away just point your camera in the general direction and you'll most likely have it in frame. And if you have some time to frame for aesthetics, it's still easier because unlike a long lens with background separation a wide one wouldn't over-emphasize every object that happens to be near your subject.

Get a prime lens compact like Ricoh GR, it's too wide for street portraits but your loved ones will not object if you occasionally use it in close proximity.

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> The 50mm lens, once the mainstay of 35mm photography, has been all but forgotten by today’s photographers.

> Before falling to its current level of disfavor, the 50mm lens had a long and distinguished pedigree

umm, I'm pretty sure nifty-fiftys have been top recommendation always for people wanting to explore beyond the kit zoom. And quickly checking some camera stores, indeed, they are one of the top selling lenses around. Not really sure where author is getting the idea that it is some obscure forgotten relic.

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I could not agree more, and the reason is an empirical one:

Looking back over the past 10 years, the best and most photos that I've taken were with a simple ~$300 Sigma 50mm f 1.4. I do have Canon L glass, but the bokeh and low-light speed just dominate most other considerations.

There's also one super important benefit/limitation that I love: With a prime lens, you zoom with your feet. That's not actually bad, you just need to get in people's faces to have them close up. And that in and of itself (often) yields great shots.

Re: Classic 50mm “Normal” Lens

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These aren't dead! You can still find a variety of fast 50mm lenses, from a cheap f/1.8 for like $150 (which is still way better than most kit lenses) to a very nice f/1.4 upgrade at like $400 all the way to absurdly expensive ones. https://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/comparisons/premium-50mm-le... Their primary advantages: * Amazing "bokeh" -- the quality and look of the background blur that modern phones mostly try to…

Absolutely agree, but have to add a small nitpick:

50mm primes used to be lightweight. The trend is towards Sigma Art / Zeiss Milvus/Otus dimensions, and that means much better edge sharpness but ~1kg in weight.

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This first appeared no later than 2007¹, and is replete with mild anachronisms. I personally find this kind of silent re-purposing of old articles offensive; it adds chaos to scholarship and seems at least somewhat dishonest.

¹https://sunbane.com/gary-voth-photography-the-forgotten-lens...

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It's not the only take on the subject, and I actually think it's quite mistaken. 50mm is great for street portraits or fashion shots. This is where you 1) can't come too close to not spook the subject, 2) want tighter framing, 3) want to put your subject on a little bit of a pedestal so to speak, or 4) want to make a huge print out of your shot. However, for candid "photos of your own loved ones" as in the article, I…

I cannot recommend a 35mm for close-up pictures of people. The perspective is too weird. I have a 35mm lens, I used it a lot, and it has its uses--and the main way I use it is to capture more of the room or more people when I'm taking pictures indoors. Going too close with it results in distorted pictures which is fine as an artistic choice but it's not the choice most people want to make.

The Ricoh GR III has a 28mm equivalent, which puts it well into the "wide angle" category. You may like shooting with a 28mm FOV, or you may absolutely hate it. If you want to buy a camera like that, try it out first and see how you like it.

> Meanwhile 50mm is good for fashion,

It's really not. I would start at like 90mm equivalent for fashion or general portraiture (i.e. not candids).

Re: Classic 50mm “Normal” Lens

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I've had a couple of Fujifilm X100 cameras with their fixed prime lenses over the last few years. For me I've grown to love the 35mm eqv. focal length they provide.

I have 50mm and 28mm eqv. converters for it but hardly ever use them.

Recently I've really got into shooting landscapes with it, which is daft as no one shoots landscapes at 35mm. It would generally be regarded as not quite wide enough or not quite long enough. Still I think that's part of the appeal for me.

Limiting yourself to just one fixed prime is, in a way, very liberating. It's one less thing to think about and it forces you to walk about to get the framing you want.

Having said that if I was taking money to shoot someone's wedding again I would definitely break out my old Nikon DSLRs and a pair of zoom lens.

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