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Re: Wiring my home with fiber

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Post by yakubin »

thefounder wrote: post #38
yakubin wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've watched the video and I still don't understand how you get the wire through the conduit though. Part of the video seemed to happen through telekinesis: the part where a wire magically came out of the wall, allowing you to pull from the other side.

You have to have a wire installed in the first place(i.e coax or just a simple thin but strong wire). That wire is installed when you install the walls/gypsum. Then you use it to pull whatever you need(hdmi etc). When you pull the new wire(hdmi) you attach an additional wire at the tip so that you can pull back your initial wire once your new HDMI is in place. If you don't have an initial wire installed you can use a…

That explains it. Thanks.

Re: Wiring my home with fiber

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Post by Aloha »

sponaugle wrote: post #49
mr_sturd wrote: post #23

I always end up green with envy that people seem to have pre-existing conduits in their walls for running new cables. There's no way, in my old house, of doing this without some invasive smashing in to walls.

One interesting technique I have seen with fiber is running it along/behind baseboards in old houses. Since it is very small (and you can get even smaller single mode fiber) it can in some cases run along side. Some people remove the baseboard and put it behind it. It creates some routing issues, but might also solve some.

Bend radius?

Re: Wiring my home with fiber

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Post by lucb1e »

pooper wrote: post #42
mr_sturd wrote: post #23

I always end up green with envy that people seem to have pre-existing conduits in their walls for running new cables. There's no way, in my old house, of doing this without some invasive smashing in to walls.

> I always end up green with envy that people seem to have pre-existing conduits in their walls for running new cables. There's no way, in my old house, of doing this without some invasive smashing in to walls. I don't own a house and have never owned a house. This will probably sound stupid and I am sorry if this is something obvious. Is it that my spouse will leave me or my parents will disown me if I run a conduit…

Do I understand correctly you're proposing to just run it on the outside of walls/ceilings? How would you ever again close doors that it needs to go through?

My aesthetic requirements are basically zero (to the dismay of my partner indeed; we meet in the middle) but I do want to be able to practically use the apartment still.

Re: Wiring my home with fiber

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Post by sschueller »

shmerl wrote: post #60

> In order to use the SFP+ modules you need the correct PCIe cards on your PC Are there good SFP+ USB 4 adapters that work on Linux? One of the bad trends in recent motherboards is minimal number of PCIe slots, which are very clearly focused on GPUs only. So basically there is no room for any extra devices. Their idea seems to be pushing everyone to USB 4 for use cases like that (which supposedly should be able to ro…

I only know of this thunderbolt version but I do not know how the linux support is. https://www.sonnettech.com/product/solo10g-sfp-tb3/overview.... . For SFP28 there seems to be nothing available at this time that would work via USB.

Re: Wiring my home with fiber

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Post by dekhn »

Thanks- I rarely consider upgrading my home systems until I think I have a good understanding of all the details and I see that fiber is still a mess (have to choose single mode versus multi mode and a number of other details).

Re: Wiring my home with fiber

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Post by latchkey »

mr_sturd wrote: post #23

I always end up green with envy that people seem to have pre-existing conduits in their walls for running new cables. There's no way, in my old house, of doing this without some invasive smashing in to walls.

I'm currently in the process of literally tearing down walls in my old house (built in the 40's). I used to fear smashing into walls. Once you do a bit of drywall and mud yourself, you realize it isn't that big of a deal. Everything I've learned has been off YT videos and there are some excellent channels with all of the professional tips and tricks. It isn't rocket science by a long shot.

Re: Wiring my home with fiber

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Post by dale_glass »

Salgat wrote: post #25
jeroenhd wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The author's ISP delivers up to 25/25Gbps connections (and 10gbps connections for the same price as 1gbps connections, about $65 dollars per month converted) so if he is planning on using such a high bandwidth uplink, I don't think ethernet makes a lot of sense. If I had a 10gbps uplink for that price, I'd certainly look into getting more out of my network than just standard ethernet. 10gbit ethernet at least, though…

I have 1gbps fiber and it's extremely rare for me to come across a server that supports anything close to that bandwidth. At 10gbps you're able to upload 500GB/hour. For home use this seems extremely unlikely, even if you're using this as part of your job. Even my 4K surveillence cameras only require 20mbps each, that's 50 4k cameras to saturate a 1gbps line.

I think of >1 GBps speeds as something that serves burst rather than streaming needs.

The use case isn't "I need it to watch youtube", but "I want to be able to restore from backup in hours rather than days", or "I want to play the latest Doom today and not tomorrow".

Eg, say you're backing up your data to a remote site. Great idea, but what if you need a restore, how long will that take? Downloading say, 100 TB on a 1 Gbps connection will take you more than a week.

Re: Wiring my home with fiber

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Post by sschueller »

js2 wrote: post #36
yakubin wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've watched the video and I still don't understand how you get the wire through the conduit though. Part of the video seemed to happen through telekinesis: the part where a wire magically came out of the wall, allowing you to pull from the other side.

I'm not sure which video you mean, but you use either a fish tape or a pull line. I know that Verizon also has fiber with a stiffer jacket that they can push through conduit a pretty good distance. I know this because I helped the Verizon installer run FIOS at my daughter's apartment in a building that was over 100 years old. The conduit had a crimp in it so it took the two of us a while to get past that.

Probably referring to this demonstration video regarding the FTTH Squeeze plate where the pull line comes flying through the conduit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARSpp4B9-X4

Re: Wiring my home with fiber

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Post by shmerl »

sschueller wrote: post #64
shmerl wrote: post #60

> In order to use the SFP+ modules you need the correct PCIe cards on your PC Are there good SFP+ USB 4 adapters that work on Linux? One of the bad trends in recent motherboards is minimal number of PCIe slots, which are very clearly focused on GPUs only. So basically there is no room for any extra devices. Their idea seems to be pushing everyone to USB 4 for use cases like that (which supposedly should be able to ro…

I only know of this thunderbolt version but I do not know how the linux support is. https://www.sonnettech.com/product/solo10g-sfp-tb3/overview.... . For SFP28 there seems to be nothing available at this time that would work via USB.

Thanks! They seem to be listing Linux. Would it work with USB 4? Whole Thunderbolt / USB situation is somewhat confusing.

Re: Wiring my home with fiber

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Post by lotsofpulp »

thefounder wrote: post #38
yakubin wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've watched the video and I still don't understand how you get the wire through the conduit though. Part of the video seemed to happen through telekinesis: the part where a wire magically came out of the wall, allowing you to pull from the other side.

You have to have a wire installed in the first place(i.e coax or just a simple thin but strong wire). That wire is installed when you install the walls/gypsum. Then you use it to pull whatever you need(hdmi etc). When you pull the new wire(hdmi) you attach an additional wire at the tip so that you can pull back your initial wire once your new HDMI is in place. If you don't have an initial wire installed you can use a…

> You have to have a wire installed in the first place(i.e coax or just a simple thin but strong wire). That wire is installed when you install the walls/gypsum.

Unfortunately, in my experience of 6 or 7 new builds in the last 15 years or so, coaxial cables are usually staples to the studs and useless for this purpose.

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