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Nobody wants touch-screen glove box latches

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Re: Nobody wants touch-screen glove box latches

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Post by alias_neo »

mormegil wrote: post #202
spyke112 wrote: post #195

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Maybe they disable if an airbag is triggered? Could also be the child lock requires constant current, so that it’s off by default?

Maybe on some supermodern cars (which probably won't open at all after the crash breaks a few computers in there). But in all cars I have owned, the safety switch was mechanical, not electronic. If it's working, you can lower the window and open from the outside. But generally, children old enough to be able to take care of themselves in a car accident should probably have the safety unlocked already.

That's it isn't it; by the time my children are old enough to be able to do this, the child locks won't be on. I guess that's when they're old enough to be told not to open the doors "until it's safe" and actually listen and understand.

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Post by glitchc »

MrFoof wrote: post #89

GM also has electronic primary door release mechanisms in their vehicles. So if the car has no power, you can’t open the doors from inside. Granted, because of regulatory requirements there is STILL A MANUAL RELEASE… on the floor, near the chassis sill (and might be driver-seat only). So you save money going to electronic releases, but still have to put a manual one in anyways. The glovebox is merely annoying (though…

Don't blame GM for something Tesla popularized...

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Post by UweSchmidt »

jsemrau wrote: post #129
BizarreByte wrote: post #8

I don't want touch screens in cars period and I can't stand this trend of using them. I'm finally starting to understand the feelings my grandfather had for anything thing he considered superfluous or inconvenient in a car.

The round knob to increase / decrease sound volume is simply the best UX in the car. Why do I have to navigate to a submenu to push a button repeatedly to change the volume. The less I look at the road the higher the risk of an accident.

Worth noting that that round knob, where it exists, has lost a lot of functionality:

1. Setting volume to 0 will pause the recording, even though I sometimes want to silently forward through some unwanted parts (intros or ads in podcasts).

2. These knobs are also infinity knobs, I liked to have fixed start and end position with an indicator how loud it's going to be when I switch on. That last part has been taken over by software and probably can't be done reliably any more.

3. On the leftmost, zero position that round knob was also used to switch a radio on or off. It is very convenient to have a single movement to switch music on, and with the same movement adjust the volume, or to lower the volume and while doing so, maybe decide to switch it all off entirely.

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Post by kennend3 »

schuke wrote: post #47
sand500 wrote: post #39

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Mazda disables touch for Android auto and carplay and I think that's awesome. The wheel is much better to use.

I have never driven a Mazda but I watch a lot of car reviews. It seems to me they're the only car manufacturer that gets car interactions right. They actually have a philosophy how human-cars should interact and design everything based on it. Hence everything comes natural and consistent and logical.

I moved from a Mazda to Hyundai and find my Elantra very much like my Mazda 6 in terms of ease-of-use.

It has android auto/carplay. To change songs, increase the volume, mute you use buttons on the steering wheel. There is a physical volume up/down knob as well in case the passenger wants to use it and these can be done via the touch screen as well.

They have done an excellent job blending new technology and continuing to use "what works" from the past.

Too many of these touch screens in cars requires accessing menue's and sub-menu's to do basic things that should be on the steering wheel. My ex-wife's Lexus which cost 5x what i paid for my Elantra wont let her access the navigation system unless it is stopped and in park?? I can simply hold a button on the steering wheel to access Siri and state where i want to go. Far too often if you touch the screen on her lexis you get "vehicle is in motion".. Great.. and i'm in the passenger seat confused as to why this is an issue?

this is such a problem that there are instructions on how to override it? https://www.wikihow.com/Override-Lexus-Navigation-Motion-Loc...

perhaps they should have done a better job planning this out before releasing it to the public?

Personally i feel Hyundai provides better "value for your money". By not having the incredibly complicated model and options packages you find in North American cars they keep their costs down and the variations on their products low.

No need to deal with the NA style "you want package A, you need to get packages B and C as well" crap.

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

MrFoof wrote: post #89

GM also has electronic primary door release mechanisms in their vehicles. So if the car has no power, you can’t open the doors from inside. Granted, because of regulatory requirements there is STILL A MANUAL RELEASE… on the floor, near the chassis sill (and might be driver-seat only). So you save money going to electronic releases, but still have to put a manual one in anyways. The glovebox is merely annoying (though…

> GM also has electronic primary door release mechanisms in their vehicles.

They often have them hidden, though.

The other day, a friend of mine had his keys on the table. His car key was the common "oblong box" variety. A small black box, with a couple of buttons.

I asked him if he'd ever had a battery issue, and he said no, but he had nightmares about it.

I then showed him his "hidden" manual key (usually, there's a fingernail slot).

Then, we had to spend some time, looking around his car, for the keyhole.

It turned out to be under the driver's side door handle, covered by a plastic plug.

Re: Nobody wants touch-screen glove box latches

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Post by smolder »

pintxo wrote: post #106
para_parolu wrote: post #92

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It may sound strange but UX is main reason why I drive mazda. I have no other requirements (besides basic safety).

Driver UX was the reason of my initial focus on BMW over other makers.

They've had their hits and misses over the years. Not at all typical, I'm sure, but a fun anecdote: I had a 90s bmw at one point, with electronic controls for the adjustable driver's seat down near the floor between the seat and door. The buttons got wet one time when it was raining, and it led to the seat coming alive and trying to crush me against the steering wheel while in highway traffic. Mashing on the controls didn't work and the motor was quite powerful. I was barely able to pull over with the room I had to move. If I wasn't as thin as I am, I might have been pinned down and crashed.

Re: Nobody wants touch-screen glove box latches

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Post by kennend3 »

ah27182 wrote: post #131
oktwtf wrote: post #64

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This was the first thing I disable when I got my 2016 Mazda 3. SSH'd into the infotainment and locked the GPS position. Now the car thinks I'm always parked, even when rolling. I also reduced the warning/notice on boot to about 500ms. Considering this, I don't think I've ever even had to touch the screen since; the wheel is just so nice. The volume knob down in that cluster is also very ergonomic.

I dont get locking the GPS. Was is to your car from keep beeping if your seatbelt was unbuckled?

Some cars like My ex-wife's lexus wont let you access the navigation system unless the vehicle is stopped.

This is VERY VERY stupid and TBH dangerous. Should se find herself lost on the highway she would need to leave the highway or stop on the side of the road to access the navigation system??

If you attempt to access the nav system while the vehicle is not stopped it simply displays some sort of "vehicle is in motion" alarm.

My Elantra wont let me use the keyboard to enter an address while the vehicle is in motion, but it will let me use Siri so i can make changes while moving if needed.

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