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Nobody wants touch-screen glove box latches

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Re: Nobody wants touch-screen glove box latches

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Post by pmontra »

MrFoof wrote: post #89

GM also has electronic primary door release mechanisms in their vehicles. So if the car has no power, you can’t open the doors from inside. Granted, because of regulatory requirements there is STILL A MANUAL RELEASE… on the floor, near the chassis sill (and might be driver-seat only). So you save money going to electronic releases, but still have to put a manual one in anyways. The glovebox is merely annoying (though…

How does electronic release save money (or when is the breakeven), considering the engineering of the electronic / sw system and the new emergency release system vs adapting the usual manual system to a new car model?

Re: Nobody wants touch-screen glove box latches

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Post by imtringued »

9935c101ab17a66 wrote: post #138
BizarreByte wrote: post #8

I don't want touch screens in cars period and I can't stand this trend of using them. I'm finally starting to understand the feelings my grandfather had for anything thing he considered superfluous or inconvenient in a car.

It’s interesting to consider that your grandfather was probably wrong about somethings being superfluous. Im not saying that as a criticism — but there are probably necessities of modern cars you and I find magnificent and essential (whether we our conscious of them or not) that your grandfather disdained. Don’t get me wrong, touchscreen gloveboxes are stupid as hell, but as I get older and things change, i find myse…

That grandpa probably complains about ridiculous things like having to uninstall the bumpers to replace a front lightbulb which don't matter in the grand scheme because I know a mechanic who does it for 20€ (excluding the cost of the parts) but it is still silly because it is something that anyone with zero training could have done.

Re: Nobody wants touch-screen glove box latches

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Post by [deleted] »

herewulf wrote: post #93
devmor wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a fantasy scenario. In what world can someone force their way into to your locked car but can't force their way into the glove box?

Most glove boxes don't have large panes of glass? The sound of a broken window to get in will also motivate a thief to not stick around messing with a glovebox very long. Maybe leave something worth running off with in the center console as a deflection.

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Re: Nobody wants touch-screen glove box latches

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Post by alphabettsy »

MrFoof wrote: post #89

GM also has electronic primary door release mechanisms in their vehicles. So if the car has no power, you can’t open the doors from inside. Granted, because of regulatory requirements there is STILL A MANUAL RELEASE… on the floor, near the chassis sill (and might be driver-seat only). So you save money going to electronic releases, but still have to put a manual one in anyways. The glovebox is merely annoying (though…

Same with Tesla. It’s dumb.

Re: Nobody wants touch-screen glove box latches

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Post by pmontra »

9935c101ab17a66 wrote: post #138
BizarreByte wrote: post #8

I don't want touch screens in cars period and I can't stand this trend of using them. I'm finally starting to understand the feelings my grandfather had for anything thing he considered superfluous or inconvenient in a car.

It’s interesting to consider that your grandfather was probably wrong about somethings being superfluous. Im not saying that as a criticism — but there are probably necessities of modern cars you and I find magnificent and essential (whether we our conscious of them or not) that your grandfather disdained. Don’t get me wrong, touchscreen gloveboxes are stupid as hell, but as I get older and things change, i find myse…

Diminishing returns? Let me do an inverse car analogy. I know how to write a complicated SQL query in SQL and in maybe a couple of different ORMs, because customers don't know SQL and want everything in (say) Ruby, Python, Elixir. Then the world inflicts us another ORM and I have to waste hours to learn all of it again only for the ORM to build my original SQL query and send it to the DB. Rolling eyes and WTF!

Re: Nobody wants touch-screen glove box latches

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Post by imtringued »

themitigating wrote: post #110
bipson wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not "perceived cons" - it causes accidents. It is distracting.

In 1930, laws were proposed in Massachusetts and St. Louis to ban radios while driving. According to automotive historian Michael Lamm, “Opponents of car radios argued that they distracted drivers and caused accidents, that tuning them took a driver’s attention away from the road, and that music could lull a driver to sleep.” https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/29631/when-car-radio-was...

It's true but the physical buttons on my car radio let me get things over with very quickly.

The more complicated and sophisticated you make the UI, the worse it is while driving. A touch screen invites excessive complexity the same way enterprise java invited excessive complexity.

Re: Nobody wants touch-screen glove box latches

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Post by nonrandomstring »

9935c101ab17a66 wrote: post #138
BizarreByte wrote: post #8

I don't want touch screens in cars period and I can't stand this trend of using them. I'm finally starting to understand the feelings my grandfather had for anything thing he considered superfluous or inconvenient in a car.

It’s interesting to consider that your grandfather was probably wrong about somethings being superfluous. Im not saying that as a criticism — but there are probably necessities of modern cars you and I find magnificent and essential (whether we our conscious of them or not) that your grandfather disdained. Don’t get me wrong, touchscreen gloveboxes are stupid as hell, but as I get older and things change, i find myse…

> but as I get older and things change, i find myself wondering if I’m being discerning or closed-minded.

You're being discerning. And a little over-generous.

I'll counter - as a fellow 'older' one :)

There's a tendency to be over-conciliatory and exercise excessive tolerance towards folly, for fear of being labelled a throwback. Don't minimise the wisdom your age brings.

Some things just get worse, objectively, until a correction occurs. Reality is, there are perverse design incentives and it's also the younger people who are tearing their hair at the madness of gratuitous tech and UX as a cult/ideology.

Re: Nobody wants touch-screen glove box latches

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Post by bluGill »

bamboozled wrote: post #49
brandonp0 wrote: post #22

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Right, but the average thief is probably not that familiar with a Tesla, and even if they are, these guys move very quickly. Their goal is to get in and get out and move to the next car. They're not going to sit there with an angle grinder unless they somehow know you have something good in there.

The average thief is a lot smarter, stronger and good with tools than you think. They also network and know a lot of stuff.

They know that people rarely put anything more valuable than a few coins in glove boxes and so rarely bother opening them.

Re: Nobody wants touch-screen glove box latches

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Post by Gibbon1 »

systemvoltage wrote: post #79
jeffybefffy519 wrote: post #50

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Yep this, overall makes the car cheaper to make.

Now extend this reasoning to see why everything has become touch screen. It will all make sense. My oven has touch buttons. No idea if I pressed it or not because it doesn’t give feedback for a second or two. Good automotive quality switches and encoders are expensive. And they don’t make them anymore because market dumped them. See the dwindling alps catalog.

I got a new washer. You have to push a touch button for four seconds to wake it up. Then wait a couple of seconds for the controller to boot and show the touch screen. Then you select what wash mode you want by pressing the touch screen for two seconds for each selection.

Re: Nobody wants touch-screen glove box latches

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Post by Aerroon »

BizarreByte wrote: post #8

I don't want touch screens in cars period and I can't stand this trend of using them. I'm finally starting to understand the feelings my grandfather had for anything thing he considered superfluous or inconvenient in a car.

I thought we banned using cellphones while driving. Isn't a touch screen interface on a car basically the same as issuing a cellphone?
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