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Re: HN mining or: How I learned that there are some among us with soft quotes

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are better known as "smart quotes" iOS at the least by default will substitute "dumb" quotes with smart quotes in text boxes.

Looking around, I got the impression they're double rather than single quotes.

smart/soft quotes are usually:

    ‘|’|“|”
but there are also other quoting glyphs in ASCII but especially UTF-8

Re: HN mining or: How I learned that there are some among us with soft quotes

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post #4

What is a soft quote?

They are better known as "smart quotes" iOS at the least by default will substitute "dumb" quotes with smart quotes in text boxes.

Why is OP describing that as “disturbing” (I type with “smart” quotes)? It’s not intentional; it’s just because I’m on an iPhone.[a] On the default keyboard, if I want "dumb" quotes, I have to tap and hold the key to get the popup. Simply tapping the quote key is less effort.

[a]: On my computers, I’ll use "dumb" quotes. Easy way to see where I typed a comment from, I guess.

Re: HN mining or: How I learned that there are some among us with soft quotes

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post #9

Speculation, but two causes could be: - Writing in a plaintext editor before copying into HN. - Using a third party HN client that only supports plaintext. For example, I imagine there might be at least a few people out there who might access HN from a terminal client?

> Writing in a plaintext editor before copying into HN

Yes, I think it is a thing where people type into Microsoft Word (or similar). Given how moving around the web can cause text in fields to be lost, I don't blame them. But it was a surprising discovery for sure.

Re: HN mining or: How I learned that there are some among us with soft quotes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are better known as "smart quotes" iOS at the least by default will substitute "dumb" quotes with smart quotes in text boxes.

Why is OP describing that as “disturbing” (I type with “smart” quotes)? It’s not intentional; it’s just because I’m on an iPhone.[a] On the default keyboard, if I want "dumb" quotes, I have to tap and hold the key to get the popup. Simply tapping the quote key is less effort. [a]: On my computers, I’ll use "dumb" quotes. Easy way to see where I typed a comment from, I guess.

it’s an old gatekeeping / geek dick measuring thing, don’t worry about it

Re: HN mining or: How I learned that there are some among us with soft quotes

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post #9

Speculation, but two causes could be: - Writing in a plaintext editor before copying into HN. - Using a third party HN client that only supports plaintext. For example, I imagine there might be at least a few people out there who might access HN from a terminal client?

A people using iOS with its default “Smart Punctuation” behavior?

Re: HN mining or: How I learned that there are some among us with soft quotes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are better known as "smart quotes" iOS at the least by default will substitute "dumb" quotes with smart quotes in text boxes.

Why is OP describing that as “disturbing” (I type with “smart” quotes)? It’s not intentional; it’s just because I’m on an iPhone.[a] On the default keyboard, if I want "dumb" quotes, I have to tap and hold the key to get the popup. Simply tapping the quote key is less effort. [a]: On my computers, I’ll use "dumb" quotes. Easy way to see where I typed a comment from, I guess.

> Why is OP describing that as “disturbing” (I type with “smart” quotes)? It’s not intentional; it’s just because I’m on an iPhone.[a] On the default keyboard, if I want "dumb" quotes, I have to tap and hold the key to get the popup. Simply tapping the quote key is less effort.

I never knew you could do that! I've got very frustrated sometimes typing on an iPad when I really want a dumb quote, and, unlike on macOS where the dumb quote is the default and there's the convenient if baffling OPT-[ shortcut to get “ and OPT-SHIFT-[ for ”, I couldn't figure out what to do to my default smart quote to get a dumb quote. Thanks!

Re: HN mining or: How I learned that there are some among us with soft quotes

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This has been driving me nuts for decades: "Smart Quotes" first appeared as the name of a feature of interactive document editing tools, wherein the user would always keyboard the "vertical" single or double quote ASCII character, and the software would look at the context of where that quote character was being inserted, and choose the correct "left-quote" or "right-quote" character to actually insert into the document.

Unfortunately, users (and product managers of competitors) misinterpreted the label in the check-box in the UI that enabled this feature, and thought that "Smart Quotes" meant that the name of the quote characters somehow had the word "smart" in it. But, no, it just meant "turn on the intelligent logic for which quote to insert into the document."

Source: Me, 1988 or so, working on FrameMaker. I don't think there's a reference to the word pair "Smart Quotes" anywhere earlier than the FrameMaker ~2 manual, and certainly not in any book on typography. I'd be happy to learn that I am wrong, if anybody has a pointer.

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