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Re: Ask HN: What mindset change made the biggest positive change for you?

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Post by dijit »

heurisko wrote: post #67
dijit wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue with Peterson is that anything outside of socioeconomics and psychology are drivel. He has two tendencies which make him frustrating: first, he will state a statistic and follow up with an opinion, and when challenged he will reply that it’s not his views it is simply statistics. This can be very disingenuous, as you can infer many things from the same statistic. The second, and much more egregious crime, i…

> first, he will state a statistic and follow up with an opinion, and when challenged he will reply that it’s not his views it is simply statistics. I think you will have to give an example. > The second, and much more egregious crime, is that he’s a climate change denier and proposes appeasement towards Russia. Those are opinions, not crimes. And I don't believe he denies climate change, but rather many of the propo…

He said on Joe Rogan that the problem was that “climate means everything and you can’t model everything” - which is not an opinion, it’s just false: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jan/27/word-sal...

Here’s his comments about appeasement (taken from his 51 minute documentary about it): https://youtube.com/shorts/cj2axyfmcoE?feature=share

The proceeding examples are crimes because they are untruths that will cost human lives.

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In this video he uses the technique: https://youtu.be/Qnzd5w2FSr4

And as he says about Elliot Page: “this person is a role model and will be emulated, they have a responsibility” this applies to Peterson himself.

Re: Ask HN: What mindset change made the biggest positive change for you?

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Post by yowmamasita »

I chose the life I have right now. Everything I did is based on choices I made on how to react on certain situations. This also means that I can choose the life that I want.

Introspection led me to replay my life objectively and got me to an understanding about how much assumptions I add to what really happens in my life. These assumptions were choices that twisted my perspective on many, many things. It was not my parents, siblings, friends nor the environment that made the choices, it was all me.

With the life I have now, I choose to be happy so I am presently happy.

Re: Ask HN: What mindset change made the biggest positive change for you?

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Post by davidguetta »

ChildOfChaos wrote: post #37
davidguetta wrote: post #31

This one is going to be controversial, but as much as I despise misogyny, the motivational videos which I watched out of curiosity of Andrew Tate are quite powerful. You are feeling bad ? Get in shape, work more. Do the thigs you have been trying to avoid doing. Feeling depressed / suicidal ? No youtube / reels, do 1h of kickboxing or fitness everyday, sleep well. No excuses. Ever. Your mind IS stronger that you thin…

What specifically helped you? Just the attitude you mentioned? Which is more just doing something and not having excuses etc... I'm feeling a little lost/confused/stuck/overwhelmed at the moment and nothing really makes sense to me.. in that context the advice would be what? To get offline, work hard and focus, sleep and fitness?

The fact I realized I was finding excuses to myself all the time to watch videos late at night, not counting calories or doing sport every because it 'would be hard'. Turned out it was not THAT hard once I decided it wasn't somehow and the past 6 weeks have been great.

I know that sounds weird but first basically the guy has a way of talking that's just .. 'motivating'. Secondly it feels like he's with you when he says stuff like "of course it's hard, ITS SUPPOSED TO BE !" and also reading the testimonials of his university on the net where it looks like a bunch of young guys just followed the advice and went kickboxing everyday felt ... relatable so It stung me in my pride to not do it since I see myself as quite ambitious ^^. Wouldn't see myself paying for his stuff though (yet?).

For your case you'd need to tell more in what you are feeling overwhelmed. It could be all in your head or it could also be dealing with breakup, death of a relative and/or shitty wage and rent increase in the US at the same time for what I know ^^.

Maybe just watch a few motiational videos (and also this long one which is super funny if you can take a step back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4isrrclZu0). Also one book I'm reading recently that is really nice is "atomic habits" (and also 'rich dad poor dad').

If you have troubles getting girls I also have other materials but I'd def get banned if I post it here so give me a mail adress to send it

Re: Ask HN: What mindset change made the biggest positive change for you?

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Post by davidguetta »

okeuro49 wrote: post #54
davidguetta wrote: post #31

This one is going to be controversial, but as much as I despise misogyny, the motivational videos which I watched out of curiosity of Andrew Tate are quite powerful. You are feeling bad ? Get in shape, work more. Do the thigs you have been trying to avoid doing. Feeling depressed / suicidal ? No youtube / reels, do 1h of kickboxing or fitness everyday, sleep well. No excuses. Ever. Your mind IS stronger that you thin…

> This one is going to be controversial, but as much as I despise misogyny, the motivational videos which I watched out of curiosity of Andrew Tate are quite powerful. I've found Jordan Peterson to offer similar, minus the brainless misogyny. However when I talk about Peterson to a valued friend, there is a sense of distaste. But I can't pretend to not find what he talks about really interesting. I think he offers go…

Yes Jordan Perterson is known to have a similar 'effect' (in a more "moderate" way i'd say).

Re: Ask HN: What mindset change made the biggest positive change for you?

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Post by j33zusjuice »

davidguetta wrote: post #31

This one is going to be controversial, but as much as I despise misogyny, the motivational videos which I watched out of curiosity of Andrew Tate are quite powerful. You are feeling bad ? Get in shape, work more. Do the thigs you have been trying to avoid doing. Feeling depressed / suicidal ? No youtube / reels, do 1h of kickboxing or fitness everyday, sleep well. No excuses. Ever. Your mind IS stronger that you thin…

CT Fletcher was a huge influence on me when I was lifting (I hurt my back and can’t DL or squat anymore, so I just don’t workout), and it went well beyond the gym. When I started trying to break into a real IT role (I was doing POS help desk at the time), I’d wake up every day at 4:30 to watch videos about Linux administration. In three months, I went through about eighty-hours of Linux Academy training (from their intro to Linux course through RHCE, and a chunk of the LFCE). Three months after that, I got my first Jr SysAdmin role.

My point is that if you can take the positive messaging and leave the nonsense behind, it doesn’t really matter whose videos are motivating you. Not in my opinion, anyway. CT’s objectively wrong about almost all of his lifting theories, but he’s right about one thing: it’s still your muthafuckin’ set. He’s amazing, his energy is so inspiring, and I’ve always loved him, even though I think he’s totally wrong about lifting practices (which used to matter a great deal to me).

If some dude talking gets you up and moving, good. Ideally, you’ll move beyond that person and stop helping an asshole get or stay rich (if he’s really a misogynist, he’s an asshole, idk who the guy is to pass judgement, myself), but if he’s helping you get your life together while you need it, do what you gotta do.

Re: Ask HN: What mindset change made the biggest positive change for you?

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Post by j33zusjuice »

ChildOfChaos wrote: post #37
davidguetta wrote: post #31

This one is going to be controversial, but as much as I despise misogyny, the motivational videos which I watched out of curiosity of Andrew Tate are quite powerful. You are feeling bad ? Get in shape, work more. Do the thigs you have been trying to avoid doing. Feeling depressed / suicidal ? No youtube / reels, do 1h of kickboxing or fitness everyday, sleep well. No excuses. Ever. Your mind IS stronger that you thin…

What specifically helped you? Just the attitude you mentioned? Which is more just doing something and not having excuses etc... I'm feeling a little lost/confused/stuck/overwhelmed at the moment and nothing really makes sense to me.. in that context the advice would be what? To get offline, work hard and focus, sleep and fitness?

I have no affiliation with this place, and I haven’t done the assessment, myself, but this is something I’ve been looking in to doing because I so often feel like I’m in the wrong line of work, and that I’m wasting my life chasing other people’s dreams.

https://www.jocrf.org/testing/who-should-be-tested/

I’ve read really great things about this place on Reddit (and a couple of negative things, too). If you have the money for it, it could be good.

Also if you have the money (I’m assuming you’re in the US, but I also don’t that other countries’ medical care covers this), see a therapist. You’ll likely have to go through a few before you find someone with whom you click, but a good therapist can help you work through those feelings. Motivational speakers are good at times, but their messages pose the risk of being taken too literally or too far, and being turned into a very unhealthy hyper-independence. This compounds your problems because not only are you whatever negative adjective for having problems in the first place, you’re now also a failure for being unable to fix the problems. Sometimes, we can’t solve our problems alone, and that’s ok.

By all means, watch some motivational speakers on YT. I named CT Fletcher as someone I loved in another comment, I used to watch and listen to Tony Robbins all the time. It’s all good in moderation. But don’t believe that you’re all alone in any of your problems.

Re: Ask HN: What mindset change made the biggest positive change for you?

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Post by Mezzie »

vecter wrote: post #15

I've always had this mindset, and I believe it's what has helped propel me forward in life: > I am responsible for every single thing that happens in my life. The power in this mindset is that it eliminates all excuses and makes you the captain of your destiny. The truth is, the vast majority of the things that happen in our lives, whether in the next 10 minutes or the next 10 years is ultimately the result of our de…

Ironically, adopting this attitude almost gave me a breakdown, but I got MS when I was 26 and then ended up being a caretaker for my sister with bipolar. I blamed myself for everything - after all, everybody else with my skill level/education can work 40+ hours a week in a professional job, so clearly there must be SOME answer. If programs don't work for us, I must have been doing something wrong. I would spend all of my free time searching for solutions and blaming myself for the situation, which just made me depressed and suicidal.

So your results may vary. I have found that being scathingly honest about where I do have agency (as you mention in your last paragraph) is very helpful.

Re: Ask HN: What mindset change made the biggest positive change for you?

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Post by Mezzie »

davidguetta wrote: post #31

This one is going to be controversial, but as much as I despise misogyny, the motivational videos which I watched out of curiosity of Andrew Tate are quite powerful. You are feeling bad ? Get in shape, work more. Do the thigs you have been trying to avoid doing. Feeling depressed / suicidal ? No youtube / reels, do 1h of kickboxing or fitness everyday, sleep well. No excuses. Ever. Your mind IS stronger that you thin…

It's weird that the dudes who go all in on preaching the self-help/motivation circuit do drift into misogyny eventually. I think it's a marketing thing: It's self-help but for MEN because self-help is really feminized for whatever reason and tapping into dating resentment is such an easy way to get/retain an audience.
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