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Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by socialismisok »

xigoi wrote: post #452
socialismisok wrote: post #437

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Moderation is not authoritarianism.

If you use moderation as a tool to push your ideology, sure it is.

If your ideology is printed in the rules before you enter, and you agree to respect those rules before entering, and the rules are things like "don't target individuals with racism, transphobia, homophobia, etc" it's really not authoritarianism.

I can't yell in a library, the librarians aren't authoritarian. I know going in that libraries aren't the place for that.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by xigoi »

socialismisok wrote: post #461
xigoi wrote: post #452

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you use moderation as a tool to push your ideology, sure it is.

If your ideology is printed in the rules before you enter, and you agree to respect those rules before entering, and the rules are things like "don't target individuals with racism, transphobia, homophobia, etc" it's really not authoritarianism. I can't yell in a library, the librarians aren't authoritarian. I know going in that libraries aren't the place for that.

Except Twitter does allow racism against whites. So its rules are not “don't target individuals with racism”, but “don't target non-white people with racism”, which sends a clear ideological message. Same with other demographics.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by Shared404 »

calculatte wrote: post #155
socialismisok wrote: post #39

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Hey, it's a private company. They can do whatever they want and you don't get a reason to complain. That's how this works, right?

No one's said Elon can't do any of this, just that it's dumb.

Everyone gets to complain, it's just that "The first amendment!!!" is a bad argument.

E: Phone keyboard moment

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by runarberg »

illuminerdy wrote: post #426
runarberg wrote: post #333

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I’m pretty sure trans people are a protected minority in most jurisdictions. So you are wrong. The judicial system has evaluated that—for some valid reason; according to our laws—mocking trans people is worse then mocking cis people.

> "I’m pretty sure trans people are a protected minority in most jurisdictions. So you are wrong. The judicial system has evaluated that—for some valid reason; according to our laws—mocking trans people is worse then mocking cis people." lol I don't know what "jurisdiction" you're living in, but "mocking trans people" is in no way a legal matter in the U.S. I can mock "trans" people as much as I want and there's not…

I don’t think you can—or at least there are limits, I’m pretty sure targeted harassment is a crime, and I think targeted harassment against a protected minority approaches a hate crime. So mocking trans people is definitely a more serious issue then mocking cis people.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by xigoi »

socialismisok wrote: post #210
tomp wrote: post #197

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Not really, no. Sex, scientifically, is determined by the kind of gametes an organism produces in sexual maturity. Males produce small sex cells, females produce large sex cells. There is no overlap among mammals (i.e. human sex is “binary”) Gender is a concept made up by feminists with no consistent definition, use mainly to confuse.

What about humans who produce no gametes? Are they sexless?

Those usually still have most of the body features for producing certain gametes, they just aren't functioning.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by xigoi »

Shared404 wrote: post #117
mrkstu wrote: post #80

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I'm not sure if they felt 'attacked'- more that they were standing up for their right to do what they do (satire) without being censored and giving into the censorship by deleting the tweet. The 'mis-gendering' in this case was absolutely truthful in a scientific sense, thereby making their point that truth being somehow harmful in today's society. Whether you agree that's a 'good' point or not it seems to fall squar…

> The 'mis-gendering' in this case was absolutely truthful in a scientific sense, Except: A) Gender != biological sex. B) Even biological sex has a lot more shades of grey C) Even if the Bee were referring to biological sex, it would be Male/Female of the year, not Man/Woman. D) It's the Bee. Everyone knows the intent.

> A) Gender != biological sex.

What makes you thing they weren't talking about biological sex?

> B) Even biological sex has a lot more shades of grey

Which are not applicable in this case, since the sex of the individial in question is inambiguous.

C) Even if the Bee were referring to biological sex, it would be Male/Female of the year, not Man/Woman.

A man is defined as an adult male.

> D) It's the Bee. Everyone knows the intent.

Yes, the intent of satire is to make fun of absurd situations.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by xigoi »

socialismisok wrote: post #439
Covzire wrote: post #133

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For some context, and why some believe that Babylon Bee's suspension was the catalyst for Musk buying Twitter: Twitter is the defacto online public square for a great number of people in politics, journalism, academia and many other fields. Twitter's TOS was, for whatever reason, deliberately written to disenfranchise half the voter base, half the country more or less by making it so simply expressing deeply held pol…

"half the country" overstates things. Roughly 40% of Americans believe that trans rights are good, roughly 30% believe they are bad, and 30% are undecided. I'd argue that if Twitter has a liberal bias, it reflects the mostly majority opinions. (Speaking as a leftist whose friends are constantly banned for trivial nonsense, Twitter also hates the left. Not the Democrats, they aren't leftist.)

“Trans rights are good/bad” is a very vague statement. What exactly did the survey ask?

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by Covzire »

socialismisok wrote: post #439
Covzire wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For some context, and why some believe that Babylon Bee's suspension was the catalyst for Musk buying Twitter: Twitter is the defacto online public square for a great number of people in politics, journalism, academia and many other fields. Twitter's TOS was, for whatever reason, deliberately written to disenfranchise half the voter base, half the country more or less by making it so simply expressing deeply held pol…

"half the country" overstates things. Roughly 40% of Americans believe that trans rights are good, roughly 30% believe they are bad, and 30% are undecided. I'd argue that if Twitter has a liberal bias, it reflects the mostly majority opinions. (Speaking as a leftist whose friends are constantly banned for trivial nonsense, Twitter also hates the left. Not the Democrats, they aren't leftist.)

What the 40% figure your citing might represent and what 'woke inc' are actually pushing in legislature and in medicine are most certainly two very different things.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by throwayyy479087 »

runarberg wrote: post #464
illuminerdy wrote: post #426

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> "I’m pretty sure trans people are a protected minority in most jurisdictions. So you are wrong. The judicial system has evaluated that—for some valid reason; according to our laws—mocking trans people is worse then mocking cis people." lol I don't know what "jurisdiction" you're living in, but "mocking trans people" is in no way a legal matter in the U.S. I can mock "trans" people as much as I want and there's not…

I don’t think you can—or at least there are limits, I’m pretty sure targeted harassment is a crime, and I think targeted harassment against a protected minority approaches a hate crime. So mocking trans people is definitely a more serious issue then mocking cis people.

None of this is true in America

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by throwayyy479087 »

ilyt wrote: post #434
MollyRealized wrote: post #289

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The right of free speech doesn't apply to a private company. A company has every right to dictate what services it will provide and the conditions for using those services. It is not a public communications carrier.

> It is not a public communications carrier. It has 400 million users. By all other definition it is a public space

Weird how this idea is only getting traction now that Elon owns Twitter, and not when they were censoring everything right of Mao.
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